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An El Salvador court just sentenced a woman to 30 years in prison for having a miscarriage. She has been jailed for two years awaiting trial and has a 7 year ol

An El Salvador court just sentenced a woman to 30 years in prison for having a miscarriage. She has been jailed for two years awaiting trial and has a 7 year old daughter. https://m.dw.com/en/el-salvador-jails-woman-accused-of-abortion-for-30-years/a-61753704 https://m.dw.com/en/el-salvador-jails-woman-accused-of-abort...

jl6 5y ago
> The sentence, which was delivered Monday, could not be immediately confirmed, since courts were closed on Tuesday for Mother's Day. Dark.
4ad 5y ago
I think this happened 10 years ago and she was just recently released after serving 10 years of her sentence: https://www.dw.com/en/el-salvador-releases-woman-jailed-after-miscarriage/a-60720610 https://www.dw.com/en/el-salvador-releases-woman-jailed-afte... Not that it makes it any better of course, in fact the article talks about tens of other women in the same circumstance... Truly horrible, evil stuff.
- InitialLastName 5y ago
  Despite the link in the article, these appear to be two different women -- referred to as "Elsy" and "Esme" -- one who was sentenced 10 years ago, the other who was sentenced last week.
  - 4ad 5y ago
    Yeah... the quality of the reporting is inexcusable. But the fact that there are multiple women makes this even worse!
wonderwonder 5y ago
To be fair, this could be Texas or Louisiana in a year or two.
- astura 5y ago
  This is happening in the US right now https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544 https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/planned-parenthood-advocates-arizona/blog/when-miscarriage-is-a-crime https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/planned-parenthood-a...
  - dahfizz 5y ago
    > Later, the medical examiner's report, obtained by the BBC, found traces of methamphetamine in her unborn son's liver and brain. Someone killing their baby with their drug habit is a bit different than the El Salvador case where an abortion was needed to save the mothers life.
    - rootusrootus 5y ago
      It doesn’t sound like the medical examiner was able to determine that the drugs had anything to do with the miscarriage, however.
    - Broken_Hippo 5y ago
      Someone killing their baby with their drug habit is a bit different than the El Salvador case where an abortion was needed to save the mothers life. I don't know. Birth control fails and not everyone has a regular monthly cycle. Heck, if you are on the right birth control, you won't have one at all. You could easily be looking at being 2-3 months into the pregnancy without realizing it, depending on the body changes you experience. You might just think you've been sick. If you aren't expecting to get pregnant and don't have the "normal" symptoms, you are likely to continue doing drugs as you would otherwise. Heck, if you were addicted and tried to get treatment, you might not find anything better than something non-medical (AA and the lot) even if you need it. In other words, despite your best effort, it might not be avoided. Add to that the fact that a lot of the studies on "crack babies" have been debunked: Not all drugs actually harm the fetus as much as was advertised, and might not have harmed the baby at all. I'm not an expert, but I have corrected that propaganda in my head. And I*ll mention: Had she gotten an abortion, she wouldn't have charges.

jl6 5y ago

> The sentence, which was delivered Monday, could not be immediately confirmed, since courts were closed on Tuesday for Mother's Day. Dark.

4ad 5y ago

I think this happened 10 years ago and she was just recently released after serving 10 years of her sentence: https://www.dw.com/en/el-salvador-releases-woman-jailed-after-miscarriage/a-60720610 https://www.dw.com/en/el-salvador-releases-woman-jailed-afte... Not that it makes it any better of course, in fact the article talks about tens of other women in the same circumstance... Truly horrible, evil stuff.

InitialLastName 5y ago
Despite the link in the article, these appear to be two different women -- referred to as "Elsy" and "Esme" -- one who was sentenced 10 years ago, the other who was sentenced last week.
- 4ad 5y ago
  Yeah... the quality of the reporting is inexcusable. But the fact that there are multiple women makes this even worse!

wonderwonder 5y ago

To be fair, this could be Texas or Louisiana in a year or two.

astura 5y ago
This is happening in the US right now https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59214544 https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/planned-parenthood-advocates-arizona/blog/when-miscarriage-is-a-crime https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/planned-parenthood-a...
- dahfizz 5y ago
  > Later, the medical examiner's report, obtained by the BBC, found traces of methamphetamine in her unborn son's liver and brain. Someone killing their baby with their drug habit is a bit different than the El Salvador case where an abortion was needed to save the mothers life.
  - rootusrootus 5y ago
    It doesn’t sound like the medical examiner was able to determine that the drugs had anything to do with the miscarriage, however.
  - Broken_Hippo 5y ago
    Someone killing their baby with their drug habit is a bit different than the El Salvador case where an abortion was needed to save the mothers life. I don't know. Birth control fails and not everyone has a regular monthly cycle. Heck, if you are on the right birth control, you won't have one at all. You could easily be looking at being 2-3 months into the pregnancy without realizing it, depending on the body changes you experience. You might just think you've been sick. If you aren't expecting to get pregnant and don't have the "normal" symptoms, you are likely to continue doing drugs as you would otherwise. Heck, if you were addicted and tried to get treatment, you might not find anything better than something non-medical (AA and the lot) even if you need it. In other words, despite your best effort, it might not be avoided. Add to that the fact that a lot of the studies on "crack babies" have been debunked: Not all drugs actually harm the fetus as much as was advertised, and might not have harmed the baby at all. I'm not an expert, but I have corrected that propaganda in my head. And I*ll mention: Had she gotten an abortion, she wouldn't have charges.