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It's not that she works for RT, which is known to be the Kremlin's mouthpiece. It's that she has a history of fabrication and lies, as noted in the linked Wiki

by conz 4y ago

It's not that she works for RT, which is known to be the Kremlin's mouthpiece. It's that she has a history of fabrication and lies, as noted in the linked Wikipedia article's citations. With such a history of non-credibility, whatever she now spouts is suspect and tainted.

verisimi 4y ago
But.. show me a trustworthy journalist! To get on, you have to be a government mouthpiece, all over the world. I think its valuable to sample the 'delights' in all the troughs.
- conz 4y ago
  > But.. show me a trustworthy journalist! Most any journalist which works for a quality newspaper (which doesn't toe a national or governmental line) would qualify as a better source of information than this person. But, you asked for one, so here's one: https://www.theatlantic.com/author/anne-applebaum/ https://www.theatlantic.com/author/anne-applebaum/ [EDIT: typo]
  - verisimi 4y ago
    Well, I think our criteria for what constitutes 'journalism' are very different! All I'm seeing - scanning the titles and summaries - is a very straightforward towing of the party line! Putin/Russia bad, "Democracy" + democrats good. Does she do anything other than echo the democratic position/talking points? I'm on page 3 and haven't seen anything other than the standard fare I'd expect from the left side of political dialectic. PS I wonder how she reconciles: The U.S. Shouldn’t Be a ‘Sleazy Offshore Principality’ - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/us-shouldnt-be-sleazy-offshore-principality/616717/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/us-shouldn... plus Liberation Without Victory (an interview with Zelensky) - https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/04/zelensky-kyiv-russia-war-ukrainian-survival-interview/629570/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/04/ze... with https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-reveal-offshore-holdings-of-ukrainian-president-and-his-inner-circle https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-r... .. which shows in no uncertain terms that Zelensky is deeply into sleazy offshore creations. He was offshore, before he even started the TV company, that he owns, that propelled him to fame, staring as the president of the Ukraine (in the show), which certainly planted in the minds that possibility in advance of actually winning the election and taking half the production company as his governmental staff!! You'd think his script-writers wrote this! Key Findings from the Panama Papers link: "Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his partners in comedy production owned a network of offshore companies related to their business based in the British Virgin Islands, Cyprus, and Belize. Zelensky’s current chief aide, Serhiy Shefir, as well as the head of the country’s Security Service, were part of the offshore network. Offshore companies were used by Shefir and another business partner to buy pricey London real estate. Around the time of his 2019 election, Zelensky handed his shares in a key offshore company over to Shefir, but the two appear to have made an arrangement for Zelensky’s family to continue receiving money from the offshore." Why don't trustworthy, quality "journalists" discuss Zelensky's dodgy dealings?! Hmmm.. Surely not because they are control system mouthpieces?!
    - verisimi 4y ago
      And, my god - have you read Anne Applebaum's wiki bio? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Applebaum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Applebaum The first 2 paragraphs: "Anne Elizabeth Applebaum[4] (born July 25, 1964) is a Polish-American[5] journalist and historian. She has written extensively about Marxism–Leninism and the development of civil society in Central and Eastern Europe. She has worked at The Economist and The Spectator,[6] and was a member of the editorial board of The Washington Post (2002–2006).[7] Applebaum won the Pulitzer Prize in 2004 for Gulag: A History published the previous year.[8] She is a staff writer for The Atlantic[9] and a senior fellow at The Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies.[10]" "Applebaum is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.[70] She is on the board of the National Endowment for Democracy and Renew Democracy Initiative.[71][72] She was a member of the Institute for War and Peace Reporting's International Board of Directors.[73] She was a Senior Adjunct Fellow at the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA) where she co-led a major initiative aimed at countering Russian disinformation in Central and Eastern Europe (CEE).[74] She was on the editorial board for The American Interest[75] and the Journal of Democracy.[76]" "In 1992, Applebaum married Radosław Sikorski, who later served as Poland's Defence Minister, Foreign Minister, and Marshal of the Sejm. He is a Member of the European Parliament. The couple have two sons, Aleksander and Tadeusz.[77] She became a Polish citizen in 2013.[78] She speaks Polish and Russian in addition to English.[79]" If this deeply embedded elite journo is who you trust to give you the low-down on what's going on, no wonder we are so far apart in understanding what is going on!
    - conz 4y ago
      > Well, I think our criteria for what constitutes 'journalism' are very different! You presented a Youtube video by a pro-Russian activist who has been repeatedly caught out lying. I presented an actual journalist and credible domain expert who has not. That's my definition of what constitutes 'journalism'. Fundamentally, if you find Anne Applebaum unpalatable, there are a hundred others who are reporting truthfully from Ukraine, and not pushing Putin's propaganda. If you want to find 'the opposing view' about Ukraine, find a credible journalist or news source from the Russian free press and present their views. That's if you can find any remaining free press in Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia > As of 2022, Russia ranked 155 out of 180 countries in the Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders.[1] In the 2017 Freedom House Freedom of the Press report Russia scored 83 (100 being the worst), mostly because of new laws introduced in 2014 that further extended the state control over mass media.[2] Freedom House characterized the situation as even worse in Crimea where, after the 2014 annexation by Russia, both Russian jurisdiction and extrajudicial means are (according to Freedom House) routinely applied to limit freedom of expression. [EDIT: typo]

by conz 4y ago

verisimi 4y ago

But.. show me a trustworthy journalist! To get on, you have to be a government mouthpiece, all over the world. I think its valuable to sample the 'delights' in all the troughs.

conz 4y ago
> But.. show me a trustworthy journalist! Most any journalist which works for a quality newspaper (which doesn't toe a national or governmental line) would qualify as a better source of information than this person. But, you asked for one, so here's one: https://www.theatlantic.com/author/anne-applebaum/ https://www.theatlantic.com/author/anne-applebaum/ [EDIT: typo]
- verisimi 4y ago
  Well, I think our criteria for what constitutes 'journalism' are very different! All I'm seeing - scanning the titles and summaries - is a very straightforward towing of the party line! Putin/Russia bad, "Democracy" + democrats good. Does she do anything other than echo the democratic position/talking points? I'm on page 3 and haven't seen anything other than the standard fare I'd expect from the left side of political dialectic. PS I wonder how she reconciles: The U.S. Shouldn’t Be a ‘Sleazy Offshore Principality’ - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/us-shouldnt-be-sleazy-offshore-principality/616717/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/us-shouldn... plus Liberation Without Victory (an interview with Zelensky) - https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/04/zelensky-kyiv-russia-war-ukrainian-survival-interview/629570/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/04/ze... with https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-reveal-offshore-holdings-of-ukrainian-president-and-his-inner-circle https://www.occrp.org/en/the-pandora-papers/pandora-papers-r... .. which shows in no uncertain terms that Zelensky is deeply into sleazy offshore creations. He was offshore, before he even started the TV company, that he owns, that propelled him to fame, staring as the president of the Ukraine (in the show), which certainly planted in the minds that possibility in advance of actually winning the election and taking half the production company as his governmental staff!! You'd think his script-writers wrote this! Key Findings from the Panama Papers link: "Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and his partners in comedy production owned a network of offshore companies related to their business based in the British Virgin Islands, Cyprus, and Belize. Zelensky’s current chief aide, Serhiy Shefir, as well as the head of the country’s Security Service, were part of the offshore network. Offshore companies were used by Shefir and another business partner to buy pricey London real estate. Around the time of his 2019 election, Zelensky handed his shares in a key offshore company over to Shefir, but the two appear to have made an arrangement for Zelensky’s family to continue receiving money from the offshore." Why don't trustworthy, quality "journalists" discuss Zelensky's dodgy dealings?! Hmmm.. Surely not because they are control system mouthpieces?!
  - verisimi 4y ago
    And, my god - have you read Anne Applebaum's wiki bio? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Applebaum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Applebaum The first 2 paragraphs: "Anne Elizabeth Applebaum[4] (born July 25, 1964) is a Polish-American[5] journalist and historian. She has written extensively about Marxism–Leninism and the development of civil society in Central and Eastern Europe. She has worked at The Economist and The Spectator,[6] and was a member of the editorial board of The Washington Post (2002–2006).[7] Applebaum won the Pulitzer Prize in 2004 for Gulag: A History published the previous year.[8] She is a staff writer for The Atlantic[9] and a senior fellow at The Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies.[10]" "Applebaum is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.[70] She is on the board of the National Endowment for Democracy and Renew Democracy Initiative.[71][72] She was a member of the Institute for War and Peace Reporting's International Board of Directors.[73] She was a Senior Adjunct Fellow at the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA) where she co-led a major initiative aimed at countering Russian disinformation in Central and Eastern Europe (CEE).[74] She was on the editorial board for The American Interest[75] and the Journal of Democracy.[76]" "In 1992, Applebaum married Radosław Sikorski, who later served as Poland's Defence Minister, Foreign Minister, and Marshal of the Sejm. He is a Member of the European Parliament. The couple have two sons, Aleksander and Tadeusz.[77] She became a Polish citizen in 2013.[78] She speaks Polish and Russian in addition to English.[79]" If this deeply embedded elite journo is who you trust to give you the low-down on what's going on, no wonder we are so far apart in understanding what is going on!
  - conz 4y ago
    > Well, I think our criteria for what constitutes 'journalism' are very different! You presented a Youtube video by a pro-Russian activist who has been repeatedly caught out lying. I presented an actual journalist and credible domain expert who has not. That's my definition of what constitutes 'journalism'. Fundamentally, if you find Anne Applebaum unpalatable, there are a hundred others who are reporting truthfully from Ukraine, and not pushing Putin's propaganda. If you want to find 'the opposing view' about Ukraine, find a credible journalist or news source from the Russian free press and present their views. That's if you can find any remaining free press in Russia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_freedom_in_Russia > As of 2022, Russia ranked 155 out of 180 countries in the Press Freedom Index compiled by Reporters Without Borders.[1] In the 2017 Freedom House Freedom of the Press report Russia scored 83 (100 being the worst), mostly because of new laws introduced in 2014 that further extended the state control over mass media.[2] Freedom House characterized the situation as even worse in Crimea where, after the 2014 annexation by Russia, both Russian jurisdiction and extrajudicial means are (according to Freedom House) routinely applied to limit freedom of expression. [EDIT: typo]