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I think i posted about it on that previous discussion, but my solution to this was to buy the plugable 3 port only-a-tb4/usb3-hub which let me be more selective

I think i posted about it on that previous discussion, but my solution to this was to buy the plugable 3 port only-a-tb4/usb3-hub which let me be more selective about the other parts i used with it and I’ve been really happy with that. It’s not cheap either but at least it’s flexible and will be useable for a long time as my needs change. I’ve been really happy with it. I think these all in one things are always gonna cheap out on something in the end. This one: https://plugable.com/products/tbt4-hub3c https://plugable.com/products/tbt4-hub3c Plugged into it is two monitors with usbc->hdmi cables (I think they use dp lanes internally) and one usb-a+ethernet hub. That's all I really need.

mikepurvis 4y ago
I'm pretty surprised that works for display passthru, especially for multiple displays. My impression had been that most TB/USB-C docks provide their display interfaces by internally being a PCIe graphics card.
- stormbrew 4y ago
  I mean, the thing is it’s not really a “dock”. It’s just a tb4 controller in a box. This one, apparently https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/189982/intel-jhl8440-thunderbolt-4-controller.html https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/189982/...
- X-Istence 4y ago
  Many USB-C docks use DisplayLink to create a virtual graphics card over USB, it is implemented as software that renders using your computers/laptops graphics card that then sends the output over USB to the DisplayLink controller. Thunderbolt docks (and some USB-C docks) instead will use Alternate Mode to pass-through the DisplayPort directly from the computer/laptop to the attached monitor. There is no additional graphics card or PCIe device involved in the matter, and no virtual graphics rendering that is sending frames across USB. DisplayLink is not great, especially on macOS, even on Windows it would cause random slow downs and in general when using it with multiple monitors it would cause random tearing and other issues. It was fine for spreadsheets and the like, but for video it broke down quickly. Whereas alternate mode just passes through your graphics card output, so there is none of that, and instead you get the full rendering power.
  - microtonal 4y ago
    There are also non-Thunderbolt USB-C docks that support DP Alt mode. E.g. I had a Lenovo USB-C Dock Gen2, which uses 2 (superspeed) lanes for DisplayPort with HBR3. If a machine supports it, it can pass through 4k@60Hz. It uses the other two lanes for USB 3.1 Gen 2 10Gbit. Though, I would always go for a Thunderbolt Dock. The extra bandwidth is nice (e.g. most Thunderbolt Docks support two 4k@60Hz screens). Also, Thunderbolt at least offers the option of using PCIe NICs, offering alternatives to the crappy Realtek USB ethernet controllers. Be cautious - even many expensive Thunderbolt hubs use USB Realtek. However, there are also models that have an Intel I210 or I225 on PCIe. (The story changes a bit with USB4, since it can also optionally tunnel PCIe, but I wouldn't expect cheap USB-C adapters to do that.)
    - X-Istence 4y ago
      Right, there are some USB-C docks that are not Thunderbolt that do DP alt mode, but many of the cheaper ones seems to come with DisplayLink technology built-in.
  - 988747 4y ago
    DisplayLink is the only way to stop my MacBook from overheating when working with 2 external monitors
    - X-Istence 4y ago
      I have had multiple MacBook/MacBook Pro's, never had an issue with overheating while using external monitors. At one point I had 3 hooked up to my MacBook Pro. The key thing is to not use it in clamshell mode. Also DisplayLink wouldn't really help much with running cooler, since its drawing a virtual frame buffer using your existing graphics card anyway, although I don't know if macOS would recognize it and switch to the discrete graphics when in use vs continuing to use the iGPU.
      - 988747 4y ago
        I have two big monitors, I do not have space on my desk to keep laptop lid open (and that would be waste, because I would never even look at built-in screen anyway). As for running cooler it really did change for me after buying DisplayLink docking station - before I would hear the fan noise constantly, now the laptop just stays quiet.

mikepurvis 4y ago

I'm pretty surprised that works for display passthru, especially for multiple displays. My impression had been that most TB/USB-C docks provide their display interfaces by internally being a PCIe graphics card.

stormbrew 4y ago
I mean, the thing is it’s not really a “dock”. It’s just a tb4 controller in a box. This one, apparently https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/189982/intel-jhl8440-thunderbolt-4-controller.html https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/189982/...
X-Istence 4y ago
Many USB-C docks use DisplayLink to create a virtual graphics card over USB, it is implemented as software that renders using your computers/laptops graphics card that then sends the output over USB to the DisplayLink controller. Thunderbolt docks (and some USB-C docks) instead will use Alternate Mode to pass-through the DisplayPort directly from the computer/laptop to the attached monitor. There is no additional graphics card or PCIe device involved in the matter, and no virtual graphics rendering that is sending frames across USB. DisplayLink is not great, especially on macOS, even on Windows it would cause random slow downs and in general when using it with multiple monitors it would cause random tearing and other issues. It was fine for spreadsheets and the like, but for video it broke down quickly. Whereas alternate mode just passes through your graphics card output, so there is none of that, and instead you get the full rendering power.
- microtonal 4y ago
  There are also non-Thunderbolt USB-C docks that support DP Alt mode. E.g. I had a Lenovo USB-C Dock Gen2, which uses 2 (superspeed) lanes for DisplayPort with HBR3. If a machine supports it, it can pass through 4k@60Hz. It uses the other two lanes for USB 3.1 Gen 2 10Gbit. Though, I would always go for a Thunderbolt Dock. The extra bandwidth is nice (e.g. most Thunderbolt Docks support two 4k@60Hz screens). Also, Thunderbolt at least offers the option of using PCIe NICs, offering alternatives to the crappy Realtek USB ethernet controllers. Be cautious - even many expensive Thunderbolt hubs use USB Realtek. However, there are also models that have an Intel I210 or I225 on PCIe. (The story changes a bit with USB4, since it can also optionally tunnel PCIe, but I wouldn't expect cheap USB-C adapters to do that.)
  - X-Istence 4y ago
    Right, there are some USB-C docks that are not Thunderbolt that do DP alt mode, but many of the cheaper ones seems to come with DisplayLink technology built-in.
- 988747 4y ago
  DisplayLink is the only way to stop my MacBook from overheating when working with 2 external monitors
  - X-Istence 4y ago
    I have had multiple MacBook/MacBook Pro's, never had an issue with overheating while using external monitors. At one point I had 3 hooked up to my MacBook Pro. The key thing is to not use it in clamshell mode. Also DisplayLink wouldn't really help much with running cooler, since its drawing a virtual frame buffer using your existing graphics card anyway, although I don't know if macOS would recognize it and switch to the discrete graphics when in use vs continuing to use the iGPU.
    - 988747 4y ago
      I have two big monitors, I do not have space on my desk to keep laptop lid open (and that would be waste, because I would never even look at built-in screen anyway). As for running cooler it really did change for me after buying DisplayLink docking station - before I would hear the fan noise constantly, now the laptop just stays quiet.