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> In the last 10 years the only things that have really changed are legalizing of gay marriage (long overdue), #MeToo, some attention to the institutional racis

> In the last 10 years the only things that have really changed are legalizing of gay marriage (long overdue), #MeToo, some attention to the institutional racism that black people continue to live under and a long overdue reevaluation of widespread transphobia. That's literally it. Um... that's literally it? Bad take my guy. Just because you can copy/paste links and make citations doesn't make your take any more true. It smacks of extreme ignorance. And saying things like "on the right, we reacted to the first black US president by electing a bona fide white supremacist" just discredits you further - this is a highly politically charged statement that tells on your positions (and frankly, your mental state).

fortuna86 4y ago
> "on the right, we reacted to the first black US president by electing a bona fide white supremacist" Do I have to cut and paste all Trump's comments and recorded statements? Politics are infuriating to discuss because you find yourself debate truth, things that are obvious but still denied.
- hedora 4y ago
  No, you're responding to someone that just asserted concrete evidence doesn't establish truth, and that anyone that reads primary sources is probably a nutjob. Besides, I think HN would throttle you well before you got a few percent of the way through them.
  - Jtype 4y ago
    "concrete evidence" ???
  - froggertoaster 4y ago
    Let's see some concrete evidence. I've seen plenty of anecdotal/made up evidence by people who are apparently mind readers and not much else.
    - fortuna86 4y ago
      Breaking my own rules here, i'm sure none of this will move you as we are debating truth and you have already decided your own. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-trade-puerto-rico-greenland-dirty-poor-a9679346.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... https://www.vox.com/2015/7/8/8911467/donald-trump-immigrants-boycott https://www.vox.com/2015/7/8/8911467/donald-trump-immigrants... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/19/what-trump-has-said-central-park-five/1501321001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/19/what... https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-r...
      - froggertoaster 4y ago
        I'm familiar with a couple of these, unfamiliar with others. One problem with your cited articles is the fact that most of them don't contain direct quotes - many of them are based on second- or even third-hand accounts. Some of these are so flimsy I'm wondering if you sent these in jest or not. Are you an elaborate troll? Serious question, because if so, I'm taking the bait. :) > https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-trade-puerto-rico-greenland-dirty-poor-a9679346.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... A quote from a low-level White House aide doesn't mean much. That said, I could see Trump saying this jokingly. > https://www.vox.com/2015/7/8/8911467/donald-trump-immigrants-boycott https://www.vox.com/2015/7/8/8911467/donald-trump-immigrants... I went through each bullet point and even followed links of sources. I suppose the first one was what you meant to send me? I'm familiar with this quote and it's definitely high on the list for cringe quotes. At worst this sounds xenophobic. > https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/19/what-trump-has-said-central-park-five/1501321001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/19/what... I'm sorry, how does this quote (I watched the video) make him racist? He basically said nothing in that quote, except he didn't admit he was wrong, which is pretty par for the course. > https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-r... You actually picked an article with some teeth here. There are actually a couple of things in here that are pretty cringe from Trump's perspective (Chinese virus, anyone? Even though that turned out to be true! And the supposed Black vs White Apprentice - yeesh) but some are straight up ridiculous. 2004, he fired a Black contestant from The Apprentice? Is that really the best they got? Further, many of these are about actions taken by Trump businesses, not by Trump himself. Again note the indirect quotes from people. BTW: you should use sources that aren't blatantly biased. Nice try, troll!
- froggertoaster 4y ago
  Go for it. I'm waiting.
  - fortuna86 4y ago
    You'll get it right after I spend time providing evidence the sky is blue, not green. Which is to say, you'll never catch me wasting my time talking to someone that needs such a clarification, and clearly won't listen to evidence that contradicts their immovable and laughable conclusions.

fortuna86 4y ago

> "on the right, we reacted to the first black US president by electing a bona fide white supremacist" Do I have to cut and paste all Trump's comments and recorded statements? Politics are infuriating to discuss because you find yourself debate truth, things that are obvious but still denied.

hedora 4y ago
No, you're responding to someone that just asserted concrete evidence doesn't establish truth, and that anyone that reads primary sources is probably a nutjob. Besides, I think HN would throttle you well before you got a few percent of the way through them.
- Jtype 4y ago
  "concrete evidence" ???
- froggertoaster 4y ago
  Let's see some concrete evidence. I've seen plenty of anecdotal/made up evidence by people who are apparently mind readers and not much else.
  - fortuna86 4y ago
    Breaking my own rules here, i'm sure none of this will move you as we are debating truth and you have already decided your own. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-trade-puerto-rico-greenland-dirty-poor-a9679346.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... https://www.vox.com/2015/7/8/8911467/donald-trump-immigrants-boycott https://www.vox.com/2015/7/8/8911467/donald-trump-immigrants... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/19/what-trump-has-said-central-park-five/1501321001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/19/what... https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-r...
    - froggertoaster 4y ago
      I'm familiar with a couple of these, unfamiliar with others. One problem with your cited articles is the fact that most of them don't contain direct quotes - many of them are based on second- or even third-hand accounts. Some of these are so flimsy I'm wondering if you sent these in jest or not. Are you an elaborate troll? Serious question, because if so, I'm taking the bait. :) > https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-trade-puerto-rico-greenland-dirty-poor-a9679346.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic... A quote from a low-level White House aide doesn't mean much. That said, I could see Trump saying this jokingly. > https://www.vox.com/2015/7/8/8911467/donald-trump-immigrants-boycott https://www.vox.com/2015/7/8/8911467/donald-trump-immigrants... I went through each bullet point and even followed links of sources. I suppose the first one was what you meant to send me? I'm familiar with this quote and it's definitely high on the list for cringe quotes. At worst this sounds xenophobic. > https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/19/what-trump-has-said-central-park-five/1501321001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/19/what... I'm sorry, how does this quote (I watched the video) make him racist? He basically said nothing in that quote, except he didn't admit he was wrong, which is pretty par for the course. > https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-r... You actually picked an article with some teeth here. There are actually a couple of things in here that are pretty cringe from Trump's perspective (Chinese virus, anyone? Even though that turned out to be true! And the supposed Black vs White Apprentice - yeesh) but some are straight up ridiculous. 2004, he fired a Black contestant from The Apprentice? Is that really the best they got? Further, many of these are about actions taken by Trump businesses, not by Trump himself. Again note the indirect quotes from people. BTW: you should use sources that aren't blatantly biased. Nice try, troll!
froggertoaster 4y ago
Go for it. I'm waiting.
- fortuna86 4y ago
  You'll get it right after I spend time providing evidence the sky is blue, not green. Which is to say, you'll never catch me wasting my time talking to someone that needs such a clarification, and clearly won't listen to evidence that contradicts their immovable and laughable conclusions.