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As bad as the situation already is(and it's bad) the lack of action on Valve's side is particularly depressing. People invest a significant amount of money int

As bad as the situation already is(and it's bad) the lack of action on Valve's side is particularly depressing. People invest a significant amount of money into their steam accounts(by purchasing skins and games) and targetting folks with some serious bans would help curb this behaviour. For example, a four month ban on the first offence, a year on the second, and lifetime on the third seems pretty reasonable and would surely have a significant impact.

thatguy0900 4y ago
You want people to be banned from the storefront valve instead of just the game cs? That is very extreme. Would valve be extending that to other games? Why do it on just their own?
- fennecs 4y ago
  Honestly why not, actions can have consequences.
  - hulitu 4y ago
    Just look at google: how some people lost data. When they start to implement such things, sooner or later a lot of people who have done nothing wrong will be affected. It is like CP.
- mr_toad 4y ago
  If you ban someone toxic from a game you don’t want them logging into another game and being toxic there too. An ounce of prevention… Perhaps you could be lenient and if you’re only worried about prevention and not deterrence you could restrict the ban to online games and forums.
- K0nserv 4y ago
  I'm not sure, it's just a quick one off suggestion to indicate the direction I'd like to see. Maybe you'd not be banned from the storefront, but all Valve's game as well as the steam marketplace for those games. Perhaps Valve could create a system that lets other publishers opt in to receiving a notice when a player receives a ban like this so that they can mirror it. Locking the player out of all online games as a consequence of their actions seems fine. The details don't need to be hashed out here but my overall point is that Valve has powerful levers at their disposal to tackle these problems and they aren't doing enough.
  - DiggyJohnson 4y ago
    I know we must see this very differently, but to casually suggest this even as the ‘direction’ you want to go in seems very … unconstrained and authoritarian.
  - no_time 4y ago
    >Locking the player out of all online games as a consequence of their actions seems fine. ...No? This is a terrible idea on all levels. I never understood this "say bad word" -> "completely banished" pipeline either. To me this just sounds like a power trip from people who want to enforce their ideals on the rest of us. Disable chat/voip for some time (as CSGO already does if you don't opt out) if someone gets reported too much. I wouldn't (and won't) drop full price on a modern multiplayer knowing some trigger happy biorobot could ban me for a word or two with no recourse or refund. And I very rarely get worked up about a game enough to swear.
    - K0nserv 4y ago
      > I never understood this "say bad word" -> "completely banished" pipeline either. A: We aren't talking about a bad word or two here. You'd not receive an action like this for saying "gg ez noobs" or w/e. We are talking about racist, sexist, violent harassment here. B: It's not "completely banished", that's why I would suggest exponentially ban durations, hopefully people get the memo on the first offence. FWIW you can already be banned like this for cheating via VAC. Sexist/racist harassment is just as toxic as cheating to the game. It means big chunks of the population don't feel comfortable participating in the game fully(ask any female friends if they use voice chat in pubs).
      - DiggyJohnson 4y ago
        How do you deal with the edge cases? How do you separate racism from teasing?
- 4ggr0 4y ago
  Currently you can still buy games if you have a VAC-ban, which is good. But already today you can be excluded from playing other games if you get a VAC-ban in a different game, and there are some other consequences. https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C29 https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C...
devwastaken 4y ago
If valve did that I would legitimately never buy from them again. Stores are not meant to be behavior police. The second they start doing that it will be yet again used to target and ban people whom have done nothing wrong. Or whom are disagreed with. Twitter users prove that those powers cannot be used justly.
- bobro 4y ago
  describing steam as a store in this situation is inaccurate. they are providing the game server, setting up the match making, and enabling the communication between players. it puts them in a more reasonable position to moderate.

thatguy0900 4y ago

You want people to be banned from the storefront valve instead of just the game cs? That is very extreme. Would valve be extending that to other games? Why do it on just their own?

fennecs 4y ago
Honestly why not, actions can have consequences.
- hulitu 4y ago
  Just look at google: how some people lost data. When they start to implement such things, sooner or later a lot of people who have done nothing wrong will be affected. It is like CP.
mr_toad 4y ago
If you ban someone toxic from a game you don’t want them logging into another game and being toxic there too. An ounce of prevention… Perhaps you could be lenient and if you’re only worried about prevention and not deterrence you could restrict the ban to online games and forums.
K0nserv 4y ago
I'm not sure, it's just a quick one off suggestion to indicate the direction I'd like to see. Maybe you'd not be banned from the storefront, but all Valve's game as well as the steam marketplace for those games. Perhaps Valve could create a system that lets other publishers opt in to receiving a notice when a player receives a ban like this so that they can mirror it. Locking the player out of all online games as a consequence of their actions seems fine. The details don't need to be hashed out here but my overall point is that Valve has powerful levers at their disposal to tackle these problems and they aren't doing enough.
- DiggyJohnson 4y ago
  I know we must see this very differently, but to casually suggest this even as the ‘direction’ you want to go in seems very … unconstrained and authoritarian.
- no_time 4y ago
  >Locking the player out of all online games as a consequence of their actions seems fine. ...No? This is a terrible idea on all levels. I never understood this "say bad word" -> "completely banished" pipeline either. To me this just sounds like a power trip from people who want to enforce their ideals on the rest of us. Disable chat/voip for some time (as CSGO already does if you don't opt out) if someone gets reported too much. I wouldn't (and won't) drop full price on a modern multiplayer knowing some trigger happy biorobot could ban me for a word or two with no recourse or refund. And I very rarely get worked up about a game enough to swear.
  - K0nserv 4y ago
    > I never understood this "say bad word" -> "completely banished" pipeline either. A: We aren't talking about a bad word or two here. You'd not receive an action like this for saying "gg ez noobs" or w/e. We are talking about racist, sexist, violent harassment here. B: It's not "completely banished", that's why I would suggest exponentially ban durations, hopefully people get the memo on the first offence. FWIW you can already be banned like this for cheating via VAC. Sexist/racist harassment is just as toxic as cheating to the game. It means big chunks of the population don't feel comfortable participating in the game fully(ask any female friends if they use voice chat in pubs).
    - DiggyJohnson 4y ago
      How do you deal with the edge cases? How do you separate racism from teasing?
4ggr0 4y ago
Currently you can still buy games if you have a VAC-ban, which is good. But already today you can be excluded from playing other games if you get a VAC-ban in a different game, and there are some other consequences. https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C29 https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/647C-5CC1-7EA9-3C...

devwastaken 4y ago

If valve did that I would legitimately never buy from them again. Stores are not meant to be behavior police. The second they start doing that it will be yet again used to target and ban people whom have done nothing wrong. Or whom are disagreed with. Twitter users prove that those powers cannot be used justly.

bobro 4y ago
describing steam as a store in this situation is inaccurate. they are providing the game server, setting up the match making, and enabling the communication between players. it puts them in a more reasonable position to moderate.