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> Regardless of how you personally feel about the COVID vaccines they were and are based on experimental new medical technology This is not technically true.

> Regardless of how you personally feel about the COVID vaccines they were and are based on experimental new medical technology This is not technically true. They were based on research from 1984, which started development in 2005 and was more or less ready and waiting for an application by 2010. They were much less experimental than the Polio or Smallpox vaccines were when they were introduced.

native_samples 5y ago
It is very obviously true. Reductio ad-absurdum arguments like that could be applied to argue no technology is ever experimental. COVID vaccines are the first mRNA based vaccines ever produced, they were produced in absolutely record-breaking time and rushed through trials under emergency authorization. That's pretty much the definition of experimental technology.
- jandrese 5y ago
  The COVID vaccines are not the first mRNA vaccines. I'm not sure where you are getting your information. There are mRNA Ebola vaccines in use in Africa. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-v...
  - native_samples 5y ago
    By "in use" you mean never progressed beyond the trial stage? Your article literally says in the opening paragraph, "why did it take until the global COVID-19 pandemic of 2020 for the first mRNA vaccine to be brought to market?" The COVID vaccines are so poorly understood that the manufacturers claimed 95% efficacy against infection, a claim which evaporated within months as that number dropped through the floor. They have never even tried to explain why their trial results were so badly wrong, meaning they don't understand their own products. A product so new even its own makers can't explain its behavior is at best experimental, and that's being generous in the extreme. A more accurate assessment would be that COVID vaccination was a mandatory medical experiment forced on vast sections of humanity often against people's will, in which the people doing the forcing then turned a blind eye to any negative effects.

native_samples 5y ago

It is very obviously true. Reductio ad-absurdum arguments like that could be applied to argue no technology is ever experimental. COVID vaccines are the first mRNA based vaccines ever produced, they were produced in absolutely record-breaking time and rushed through trials under emergency authorization. That's pretty much the definition of experimental technology.

jandrese 5y ago
The COVID vaccines are not the first mRNA vaccines. I'm not sure where you are getting your information. There are mRNA Ebola vaccines in use in Africa. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-v...
- native_samples 5y ago
  By "in use" you mean never progressed beyond the trial stage? Your article literally says in the opening paragraph, "why did it take until the global COVID-19 pandemic of 2020 for the first mRNA vaccine to be brought to market?" The COVID vaccines are so poorly understood that the manufacturers claimed 95% efficacy against infection, a claim which evaporated within months as that number dropped through the floor. They have never even tried to explain why their trial results were so badly wrong, meaning they don't understand their own products. A product so new even its own makers can't explain its behavior is at best experimental, and that's being generous in the extreme. A more accurate assessment would be that COVID vaccination was a mandatory medical experiment forced on vast sections of humanity often against people's will, in which the people doing the forcing then turned a blind eye to any negative effects.