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FIRE has historically been associated with conservatives, but I don't know if that's changed in recent years.
by eltondegeneres 4y ago
FIRE has historically been associated with conservatives, but I don't know if that's changed in recent years.
- lynndotpy 4y agoYeah. If ACLU is too biased for someone, I really can't see FIRE being much better. But the EFF is excellent in my experience. They're probably most known for Certbot / Let's Encrypt
- cuteboy19 4y agoEFFs mission is very limited which is a good thing given whatever it is that Mozilla Foundation keeps doing
- margalabargala 4y agoLooking through their website, it doesn't look right-leaning (to someone unfamiliar with FIRE before just now). They recently started organizing against Florida's "Stop WOKE Act": https://www.thefire.org/fire-calls-on-florida-institutions-and-faculty-to-push-back-against-unconstitutional-stop-woke-act-and-if-necessary-to-ignore-it-entirely/ https://www.thefire.org/fire-calls-on-florida-institutions-a...
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- eatonphil 4y agoIf you go to their college free speech rankings page [0] most of the comments are about how conservative students don't feel comfortable on colleges and universities (private and public, to my slight surprise). I can see how someone might make take that as conservative friendly since they are mostly featuring conservative students expressing fear about talking about conservative ideas. I'm not making a judgement on any of that. [0] https://rankings.thefire.org/ https://rankings.thefire.org/
- r3trohack3r 4y agoDisclaimer, I have no context about FIRE. But, I feel there are a few possible reasons for this: If the culture on a college campus has little-to-no bias towards sharing or suppressing conservative ideas, them singling out conservative ideas being suppressed would give you enough of a signal that they are conservative leaning. If the culture on a college campus biases towards sharing conservative ideas, them singling out conservative ideas being suppressed would give you enough of a signal that they are conservative leaning. If the culture on a college campus biases towards suppressing conservative ideas, them singling out conservative ideas being suppressed wouldn't generate enough of a signal to justify calling them conservative leaning. TL;DR: whether or not you consider their stance as conservative leaning will be strongly influenced by how you perceive discourse on a college campus.
- scythe 4y agoFIRE absolutely does speak up for liberals, as seen e.g. here: https://reason.com/volokh/2022/03/16/oklahoma-christian-university-demands-free-speech-but-allegedly-fires-prof-for-inviting-gay-guest-speaker/ https://reason.com/volokh/2022/03/16/oklahoma-christian-univ...
- not_really 4y agoNice
- yucky 4y agoThat's just due to the nature of who finds themselves on the wrong side of college administrations. They are non-partisan though, see some of the sources posted in this thread.
- nverno 4y agoCollege administrators themselves, are typically hostage to the views of students/donors/board of directors/governors, etc. these days- otherwise they don't last too long. They walk a fine line.
- colpabar 4y agoThe ACLU has historically been associated with nazis :^)
- pessimizer 4y agoThe litmus test for that would be if they're defending Palestinians.
- odessacubbage 4y agothe ACLU has been historically associated with nazis and terrorists. FIRE, to my knowledge has not discriminated in their advocacy for the plaintiffs in title ix disputes which is one of their primary areas of focus so it seems like a reach to call them a conservative-aligned organization