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"FIRE has done way more for campus free speech issues this last decade or two than the ACLU despite a considerably smaller budget" You mean conservative speech

"FIRE has done way more for campus free speech issues this last decade or two than the ACLU despite a considerably smaller budget" You mean conservative speech? Or has FIRE actually defended speech they despised, like the ACLU used to?

euroclear 4y ago
You can find a list of cases on their web site. I don't think they are a conservative organization, either. https://www.thefire.org/category/cases/ https://www.thefire.org/category/cases/
fieryscribe 4y ago
I'm not sure why you're implying that FIRE "despises" speech; perhaps you see them as conservative. That said, here's are some recent situations in which FIRE has taken the side of what would be under the general progressive/liberal umbrella: * https://www.thefire.org/cases/new-york-university-administration-investigating-anti-zionst-statement-by-law-students-for-justice-in-palestine-following-harassment-complaints/ https://www.thefire.org/cases/new-york-university-administra... * https://www.thefire.org/cases/catholic-university-of-america-student-investigated-for-arthur-childrens-cartoon-meme-criticizing-student-group/ https://www.thefire.org/cases/catholic-university-of-america... * https://www.thefire.org/cases/suny-brockport-event-featuring-faculty-invited-speaker-jalil-muntaqim-defunded/ https://www.thefire.org/cases/suny-brockport-event-featuring... There are more, for sure, but hopefully this points you in the right direction.
- Shebanator 4y ago
  You should re-read the comment you are replying to. You misunderstood.
  - fieryscribe 4y ago
    I'm not sure what you're suggesting. This is the comment: > FIRE has done way more for campus free speech issues this last decade or two ... > You mean conservative speech? Or has FIRE actually defended speech they despised, like the ACLU used to? It seems to imply that FIRE has done way more for conservative campus free speech issues. I supplied examples of times when FIRE supported non-conservative campus free speech. I'm not quite clear how else to read that comment, but would love your take.
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    > You should re-read the comment you are replying to. You misunderstood. It's not obvious to what you're referring. Can you explain?
atdrummond 4y ago
I’m not a conservative or right wing in any way. FIRE doesn’t turn away people based on their political views or the political content of their speech as far as I know; I would stop donating if that were the case.
- pmoriarty 4y ago
  See "The Conservatives Behind the Campus 'Free Speech' Crusade"[1] and "What the Campus 'Free Speech' Crusade Won't Say"[2]. [1] - https://prospect.org/education/conservatives-behind-campus-free-speech-crusade/ https://prospect.org/education/conservatives-behind-campus-f... [2] - https://www.alternet.org/2016/09/what-campus-free-speech-crusade-wont-say-0/ https://www.alternet.org/2016/09/what-campus-free-speech-cru...

euroclear 4y ago

You can find a list of cases on their web site. I don't think they are a conservative organization, either. https://www.thefire.org/category/cases/ https://www.thefire.org/category/cases/

fieryscribe 4y ago

I'm not sure why you're implying that FIRE "despises" speech; perhaps you see them as conservative. That said, here's are some recent situations in which FIRE has taken the side of what would be under the general progressive/liberal umbrella: * https://www.thefire.org/cases/new-york-university-administration-investigating-anti-zionst-statement-by-law-students-for-justice-in-palestine-following-harassment-complaints/ https://www.thefire.org/cases/new-york-university-administra... * https://www.thefire.org/cases/catholic-university-of-america-student-investigated-for-arthur-childrens-cartoon-meme-criticizing-student-group/ https://www.thefire.org/cases/catholic-university-of-america... * https://www.thefire.org/cases/suny-brockport-event-featuring-faculty-invited-speaker-jalil-muntaqim-defunded/ https://www.thefire.org/cases/suny-brockport-event-featuring... There are more, for sure, but hopefully this points you in the right direction.

Shebanator 4y ago
You should re-read the comment you are replying to. You misunderstood.
- fieryscribe 4y ago
  I'm not sure what you're suggesting. This is the comment: > FIRE has done way more for campus free speech issues this last decade or two ... > You mean conservative speech? Or has FIRE actually defended speech they despised, like the ACLU used to? It seems to imply that FIRE has done way more for conservative campus free speech issues. I supplied examples of times when FIRE supported non-conservative campus free speech. I'm not quite clear how else to read that comment, but would love your take.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  > You should re-read the comment you are replying to. You misunderstood. It's not obvious to what you're referring. Can you explain?

atdrummond 4y ago

I’m not a conservative or right wing in any way. FIRE doesn’t turn away people based on their political views or the political content of their speech as far as I know; I would stop donating if that were the case.

pmoriarty 4y ago
See "The Conservatives Behind the Campus 'Free Speech' Crusade"[1] and "What the Campus 'Free Speech' Crusade Won't Say"[2]. [1] - https://prospect.org/education/conservatives-behind-campus-free-speech-crusade/ https://prospect.org/education/conservatives-behind-campus-f... [2] - https://www.alternet.org/2016/09/what-campus-free-speech-crusade-wont-say-0/ https://www.alternet.org/2016/09/what-campus-free-speech-cru...