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It's so odd to me that liberals, who seem to care a lot about women's rights, just flat out dismiss women who are genuinely concerned about being raped in priso

It's so odd to me that liberals, who seem to care a lot about women's rights, just flat out dismiss women who are genuinely concerned about being raped in prison by males who were secretly transferred to female prisons. >"But what about the children?" is never a good argument for taking the away the rights of others. I also hope that you don't point to school shootings to argue against the second amendment then.

tsimionescu 4y ago
Why is that surprising? There is no proof that transwomen are any more likely to rape ciswomen than other ciswomen are. On the other hand, it is well known that transwomen are much more often the victims of rape by cismen, if living in men's prisons. If anything, I would think the biggest problem here is the fate of transmen. I doubt a ciswoman would feel very comfortable sharing a cell with a transman, but a transman also has much higher chances of being abused if sharing a cell with a cisman.
- fleetinging 4y ago
- lesstenseflow 4y ago
  > There is no proof that transwomen are any more likely to rape ciswomen than other ciswomen are. There is no proof males who identify as trans (transwomen) are any less likely to commit rape than males who do not identify as trans. The rape risk of being housed with a male is real regardless of how the male identifies with regards to gender. If you have data to the contrary (data indicating that trans identifying males are less likely to commit rape than other males) please share.
- colpabar 4y ago
  This is extremely un-PC, but cis women fear being raped by humans with penises much more than they do humans without them.
  - tsimionescu 4y ago
    Do you think a cis woman would fear being raped more by Natalie Wynn[0] or by Buck Angel[1]? I would bet that its the latter. To be clear: not accusing either of those above of being an actual rapist! Just asking which would be more likely to inspire this fear in someone who doesn't know them. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ContraPoints#/media/File%3ANatalie_Wynn_(ContraPoints)_portrait_2_(cropped).jpg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ContraPoints#/media/File%3AN... [1] https://mobile.twitter.com/BuckAngel/photo https://mobile.twitter.com/BuckAngel/photo
- Khaine 4y ago
  And yet, in the short time its been happening this has occurred https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/apr/14/two-inmates-impregnated-transgender-inmate-all-wom/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/apr/14/two-inmates...
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  - joshuamorton 4y ago
    The article notes that the relationships were consensual. Like, do you think no one in prison would want to have sex? (The article could be misleading, but also there's presumably lots of consensual sex in prison, much as there is quite a bit of non-consensual sex).
- pessimizer 4y ago
  > There is no proof that transwomen are any more likely to rape ciswomen than other ciswomen are. Are you just making this up, or do you have some statistics on female on female rape?
- grasbo 4y ago
  > Why is that surprising? There is no proof that transwomen are any more likely to rape ciswomen than other ciswomen are. Here's an analysis of data from the Ministry of Justice in the UK, demonstrating that trans-identifying males have similar patterns of criminality to other males, including sexual assault: https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/ https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-se...
nemothekid 4y ago
>It's so odd to me that liberals, who seem to care a lot about women's rights, just flat out dismiss women who are genuinely concerned about being raped in prison by males who were secretly transferred to female prisons. Really? Are there actual women who are genuinely concerned about this or is this a strawman invented by other people? You see this same issue with transwomen in sports. There is massive concern-trolling for women "who want a level playing field", but when you actually _ask_ women who compete with them (like in the case of Lia Thomas), they don't have a problem with it. You are masking your transphobia in coddling for women who aren't even complaining about these issues. Women in prison are far more likely to be raped by law enforcement; but somehow the 3 or so transwomen who might sleep in the same cell as a woman is a bigger mark for the ACLU. >I also hope that you don't point to school shootings to argue against the second amendment then. That's actually pretty simple for me, I don't think gun rights are inalienable rights, no more than I think I have a right to own a playstation.
- fleetinging 4y ago

tsimionescu 4y ago

Why is that surprising? There is no proof that transwomen are any more likely to rape ciswomen than other ciswomen are. On the other hand, it is well known that transwomen are much more often the victims of rape by cismen, if living in men's prisons. If anything, I would think the biggest problem here is the fate of transmen. I doubt a ciswoman would feel very comfortable sharing a cell with a transman, but a transman also has much higher chances of being abused if sharing a cell with a cisman.

fleetinging 4y ago
lesstenseflow 4y ago
> There is no proof that transwomen are any more likely to rape ciswomen than other ciswomen are. There is no proof males who identify as trans (transwomen) are any less likely to commit rape than males who do not identify as trans. The rape risk of being housed with a male is real regardless of how the male identifies with regards to gender. If you have data to the contrary (data indicating that trans identifying males are less likely to commit rape than other males) please share.
colpabar 4y ago
This is extremely un-PC, but cis women fear being raped by humans with penises much more than they do humans without them.
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  Do you think a cis woman would fear being raped more by Natalie Wynn[0] or by Buck Angel[1]? I would bet that its the latter. To be clear: not accusing either of those above of being an actual rapist! Just asking which would be more likely to inspire this fear in someone who doesn't know them. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ContraPoints#/media/File%3ANatalie_Wynn_(ContraPoints)_portrait_2_(cropped).jpg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ContraPoints#/media/File%3AN... [1] https://mobile.twitter.com/BuckAngel/photo https://mobile.twitter.com/BuckAngel/photo
Khaine 4y ago
And yet, in the short time its been happening this has occurred https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/apr/14/two-inmates-impregnated-transgender-inmate-all-wom/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/apr/14/two-inmates...
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- joshuamorton 4y ago
  The article notes that the relationships were consensual. Like, do you think no one in prison would want to have sex? (The article could be misleading, but also there's presumably lots of consensual sex in prison, much as there is quite a bit of non-consensual sex).
pessimizer 4y ago
> There is no proof that transwomen are any more likely to rape ciswomen than other ciswomen are. Are you just making this up, or do you have some statistics on female on female rape?
grasbo 4y ago
> Why is that surprising? There is no proof that transwomen are any more likely to rape ciswomen than other ciswomen are. Here's an analysis of data from the Ministry of Justice in the UK, demonstrating that trans-identifying males have similar patterns of criminality to other males, including sexual assault: https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/ https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-se...

nemothekid 4y ago

>It's so odd to me that liberals, who seem to care a lot about women's rights, just flat out dismiss women who are genuinely concerned about being raped in prison by males who were secretly transferred to female prisons. Really? Are there actual women who are genuinely concerned about this or is this a strawman invented by other people? You see this same issue with transwomen in sports. There is massive concern-trolling for women "who want a level playing field", but when you actually _ask_ women who compete with them (like in the case of Lia Thomas), they don't have a problem with it. You are masking your transphobia in coddling for women who aren't even complaining about these issues. Women in prison are far more likely to be raped by law enforcement; but somehow the 3 or so transwomen who might sleep in the same cell as a woman is a bigger mark for the ACLU. >I also hope that you don't point to school shootings to argue against the second amendment then. That's actually pretty simple for me, I don't think gun rights are inalienable rights, no more than I think I have a right to own a playstation.

fleetinging 4y ago