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Have to jump through a few links to get to the 'protest' part. > Protest now by contacting the responsible EU Commissioners! Experience shows that a phone call

Have to jump through a few links to get to the 'protest' part. > Protest now by contacting the responsible EU Commissioners! Experience shows that a phone call is more effective than e-mails or letters. Officially, the planned obligation for messaging and chat control is called “legislation to effectively tackle child sexual abuse online”. > If an office tries to redirect you to the EU Commissioner for Home Affairs (Directorate-General for Home Affairs), point out that all EU Commissioners vote on draft legislation and can raise concerns at an early stage. * EU Home Affairs Commissioner Ms Johansson (lead responsible): Tel. +32-229-50170, E-Mail cab-johansson-contact@ec.europa.eu * EU Commission President Ms von der Leyen: Tel. +32-229-56070, E-Mail ec-president-vdl@ec.europa.eu * Executive Vice President for a Europe for the Digital Age, Ms Vestager: tTel. +32-229-55136, E-Mail margrethe-vestager-contact@ec.europa.eu * EU Internal Market Commissioner Mr Breton, Tel. +32-229-90200, E-Mail cab-breton-contact@ec.europa.eu * Vice-President for Values and Transparency, Ms Jourova: Tel. +32-229-55144, E-Mail cab-jourova-contact@ec.europa.eu * Vice President for Promoting our European Way of Life, Mr. Schinas: Tel. +32-229-60524, E-Mail cab-schinas-contact@ec.europa.eu * Justice Commissioner Mr Reynders, Tel. +32-229-50900, E-Mail cab-reynders-contact@ec.europa.eu [from https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-co...]

harabat 4y ago
For those who won't read the article: it provides a few ways to protest [0] (contact Commissioners, request media to cover this issue, get active on social media) and offers a list of arguments [1] (such policies don't work against CSAM but make it worse, while better/more targeted methods are being ignored). If anyone has experience calling to protest, could they share it here? Otherwise, the simplest course of action might be to copy-paste the arguments given in [1] into an email addressed to the parties mentioned in the parent comment. [0]: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/#WhatYouCanDo https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-co... [1]: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/#AdditionalInformation https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-co...
- Siira 4y ago
  CSAM versus explicitly mandated mass surveillance, is there even a shred of doubt about which is more important? …
- logifail 4y ago
  > the simplest course of action might be to copy-paste the arguments given [..] Not wishing to seem defeatist, but is there much (any?) evidence that sending copy-pasted arguments to elected representatives actually achieves anything?
  - harabat 4y ago
    Probably little to no effect, but I'd hope it's slightly more effective than just tweeting a hashtag (which is arguable simpler than my "simplest" suggestion) because it will actually pierce the techie anti-privacy bubble and be heard by/bother the . To be honest, I'd wager that most of the benefit in doing something as little as sending copy-pasted emails is that it increases the probability of the protester doing a more meaningful action in the future (by generating some cognitive dissonance, by reinforcing a positive internal narrative, by weakening the illusion of powerlessness, etc.).
  - belter 4y ago
    It does because these are EU officials. They are four layers removed from contact with any EU citizens. Sometimes they do bump into one, while exiting some of the best Brussels restaurants after a lunch with a lobbyist.
logifail 4y ago
> Ms von der Leyen I'm deeply sceptical of Ms von der Leyen. Not least because of how she got her job. She manages to get the press to talk about the EU giving Ukraine "a speedy response" re: joining the EU[0][1][2] Then Macron says it will take "take decades"[3] [4] I'm sorry, but once you reach that threshold of political posturing, if von der Leyen promised that tomorrow is definitely Wednesday then I'd immediately start checking my calendar :( [0] https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/news/statement-president-von-der-leyen-ukrainian-president-zelenskyy-occasion-presidents-visit-kyiv-2022-04-08_en https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/news/statemen... [1] https://www.euronews.com/2022/04/08/von-der-leyen-gives-ukraine-questionnaire-for-eu-accession-discussions https://www.euronews.com/2022/04/08/von-der-leyen-gives-ukra... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/08/ursula-von-der-leyen-offers-speedy-response-to-ukraines-bid-to-join-eu https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/08/ursula-von-der... [3] https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220509-live-russia-readies-for-ww2-victory-parade-as-ukraine-decries-school-bombing https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220509-live-russia-read... [4] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61383632 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61383632
- belter 4y ago
  Ms von der Leyen career is a train wreck of non stopping disasters. It makes sense she would end up as the non-elected European Commission chief... "Ursula von der Leyen has always left a trail of disaster": https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-has-always-left-a-trail-of-disaster https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-has... "The scandal hanging over Ursula von der Leyen": https://www.politico.eu/article/the-scandal-hanging-over-ursula-von-der-leyen/ https://www.politico.eu/article/the-scandal-hanging-over-urs...
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    Well, it is an old saying/tradition by now, to banish incompetent politicians towards Brussels. That solution was probably adequate, as long as the EU did not had any actual power.
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harabat 4y ago

For those who won't read the article: it provides a few ways to protest [0] (contact Commissioners, request media to cover this issue, get active on social media) and offers a list of arguments [1] (such policies don't work against CSAM but make it worse, while better/more targeted methods are being ignored). If anyone has experience calling to protest, could they share it here? Otherwise, the simplest course of action might be to copy-paste the arguments given in [1] into an email addressed to the parties mentioned in the parent comment. [0]: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/#WhatYouCanDo https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-co... [1]: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/#AdditionalInformation https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-co...

Siira 4y ago
CSAM versus explicitly mandated mass surveillance, is there even a shred of doubt about which is more important? …
logifail 4y ago
> the simplest course of action might be to copy-paste the arguments given [..] Not wishing to seem defeatist, but is there much (any?) evidence that sending copy-pasted arguments to elected representatives actually achieves anything?
- harabat 4y ago
  Probably little to no effect, but I'd hope it's slightly more effective than just tweeting a hashtag (which is arguable simpler than my "simplest" suggestion) because it will actually pierce the techie anti-privacy bubble and be heard by/bother the . To be honest, I'd wager that most of the benefit in doing something as little as sending copy-pasted emails is that it increases the probability of the protester doing a more meaningful action in the future (by generating some cognitive dissonance, by reinforcing a positive internal narrative, by weakening the illusion of powerlessness, etc.).
- belter 4y ago
  It does because these are EU officials. They are four layers removed from contact with any EU citizens. Sometimes they do bump into one, while exiting some of the best Brussels restaurants after a lunch with a lobbyist.

logifail 4y ago

> Ms von der Leyen I'm deeply sceptical of Ms von der Leyen. Not least because of how she got her job. She manages to get the press to talk about the EU giving Ukraine "a speedy response" re: joining the EU[0][1][2] Then Macron says it will take "take decades"[3] [4] I'm sorry, but once you reach that threshold of political posturing, if von der Leyen promised that tomorrow is definitely Wednesday then I'd immediately start checking my calendar :( [0] https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/news/statement-president-von-der-leyen-ukrainian-president-zelenskyy-occasion-presidents-visit-kyiv-2022-04-08_en https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/news/statemen... [1] https://www.euronews.com/2022/04/08/von-der-leyen-gives-ukraine-questionnaire-for-eu-accession-discussions https://www.euronews.com/2022/04/08/von-der-leyen-gives-ukra... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/08/ursula-von-der-leyen-offers-speedy-response-to-ukraines-bid-to-join-eu https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/08/ursula-von-der... [3] https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220509-live-russia-readies-for-ww2-victory-parade-as-ukraine-decries-school-bombing https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220509-live-russia-read... [4] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61383632 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61383632

belter 4y ago
Ms von der Leyen career is a train wreck of non stopping disasters. It makes sense she would end up as the non-elected European Commission chief... "Ursula von der Leyen has always left a trail of disaster": https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-has-always-left-a-trail-of-disaster https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-has... "The scandal hanging over Ursula von der Leyen": https://www.politico.eu/article/the-scandal-hanging-over-ursula-von-der-leyen/ https://www.politico.eu/article/the-scandal-hanging-over-urs...
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  Well, it is an old saying/tradition by now, to banish incompetent politicians towards Brussels. That solution was probably adequate, as long as the EU did not had any actual power.
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