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If EU really wants to curb risk to children: -significantly raise the penalty for sexual child abuse -provide clinics and medications for people with this

by Zhenya 4y ago

If EU really wants to curb risk to children: -significantly raise the penalty for sexual child abuse -provide clinics and medications for people with this mental disease However, that’s not really the goal here is it…

detritus 4y ago
> -significantly raise the penalty for sexual child abuse I'm sure some dark comic (Boyle, Gervais?) made a joke along these lines, but presumably the problem with this tack is that you end up with more dead children? Biology, consensus-morality-abiding or otherwise, is a hard thing to ignore and little befearing the meagre laws of man in those that suffer from it. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I don't see 'sterner sentencing' having much truck here, as much as I'd personally mete the death sentence for anyone raping kids or.. well, anyone.
- jimbob45 4y ago
  It was Louis CK. Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Fy8zVp63w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Fy8zVp63w
  - detritus 4y ago
    Ah, 'Thank you'! Yes that's the skit I remembered, and by golly, as fucked up an idea as it is, he's entirely right. "I don't know what to do with that information. I don't have way to apply that to anything that's helpful", indeed.
    - Zhenya 4y ago
      He’s not right. Lowering penalties makes it more acceptable to society. I think we do agree that allowing child abuse is a net negative for society.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  I guess the usual child abuser doesn't think along the line that they do it for potential 10 years but not for 25 years in prison. While I believe that the schedule of kids is vastly overstuffed with senseless crap, more eyes on the target probably helps identifying cases of abuse. That means funding child care and schools. But that is more expensive and doesn't have positive side effects like a law for content control. UvdL is known to have had and probably still has many private gatherings to discuss policy in a privileged group. Maybe we should ask her what her secrecy was about and where the chat protocol is from these meetings. I suspect more criminal behavior than in the average internet chat.
truthwhisperer 4y ago
denton-scratch 4y ago
> raise the penalties That never works. Raising the risks of being caught does work, but it costs money. > people with this mental disease Not all such people are ill; there are different reasons people get involved in child-porn. Some of them are just shitty people; some are traumatised; some are simply ignorant.
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  So throw the baby out with the bathwater? Point 1 does work as shown by cities giving up and letting petty criminals run wild (see san francisco). Point 2: so no help for anyone? I'm not sure what you're even saying here because it's just naysaying and not really offering any potential solutions.
  - denton-scratch 4y ago
    I wasn't advocating no penalties; I was saying that increasing the penalties doesn't work (unless you are a politician trying to get re-elected). And I wasn't saying 'no clinics'; I was griping about the term "mental illness". Not all bad behaviour is the result of a psychiatric disorder.

by Zhenya 4y ago

detritus 4y ago

> -significantly raise the penalty for sexual child abuse I'm sure some dark comic (Boyle, Gervais?) made a joke along these lines, but presumably the problem with this tack is that you end up with more dead children? Biology, consensus-morality-abiding or otherwise, is a hard thing to ignore and little befearing the meagre laws of man in those that suffer from it. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I don't see 'sterner sentencing' having much truck here, as much as I'd personally mete the death sentence for anyone raping kids or.. well, anyone.

jimbob45 4y ago
It was Louis CK. Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Fy8zVp63w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Fy8zVp63w
- detritus 4y ago
  Ah, 'Thank you'! Yes that's the skit I remembered, and by golly, as fucked up an idea as it is, he's entirely right. "I don't know what to do with that information. I don't have way to apply that to anything that's helpful", indeed.
  - Zhenya 4y ago
    He’s not right. Lowering penalties makes it more acceptable to society. I think we do agree that allowing child abuse is a net negative for society.
raxxorraxor 4y ago
I guess the usual child abuser doesn't think along the line that they do it for potential 10 years but not for 25 years in prison. While I believe that the schedule of kids is vastly overstuffed with senseless crap, more eyes on the target probably helps identifying cases of abuse. That means funding child care and schools. But that is more expensive and doesn't have positive side effects like a law for content control. UvdL is known to have had and probably still has many private gatherings to discuss policy in a privileged group. Maybe we should ask her what her secrecy was about and where the chat protocol is from these meetings. I suspect more criminal behavior than in the average internet chat.

truthwhisperer 4y ago

denton-scratch 4y ago

> raise the penalties That never works. Raising the risks of being caught does work, but it costs money. > people with this mental disease Not all such people are ill; there are different reasons people get involved in child-porn. Some of them are just shitty people; some are traumatised; some are simply ignorant.

stjohnswarts 4y ago
So throw the baby out with the bathwater? Point 1 does work as shown by cities giving up and letting petty criminals run wild (see san francisco). Point 2: so no help for anyone? I'm not sure what you're even saying here because it's just naysaying and not really offering any potential solutions.
- denton-scratch 4y ago
  I wasn't advocating no penalties; I was saying that increasing the penalties doesn't work (unless you are a politician trying to get re-elected). And I wasn't saying 'no clinics'; I was griping about the term "mental illness". Not all bad behaviour is the result of a psychiatric disorder.