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I don't like things that pollute our natural language namespace. Couldn't you have named it something unique?

by djmips 5y ago

tsm 5y ago
An overwhelming number of programming-related things "pollute our natural language namespace". Off the top of my head: Ruby, Python, Java, Rails, React, Go, Rust, Elm, Dart, C, C#, Node, Next, Nest, Kafka, LaTeX, bash, fish, cat, Android, Apple, Windows… I'd be happy to search for this with "bubble tea framework" or "bubble tea tui" or similar and it doesn't bother me.
- dvngnt_ 5y ago
  elm?
  - kube-system 5y ago
    It’s a type of tree.
  - fwip 5y ago
    Yes, an elm is a kind of tree.
- mrtranscendence 5y ago
  I'm having trouble thinking of a single example of a language, library, or piece of technology that is not either an acronym, a name of something that exists, or a combination of such names. Be it an object (Flask), a concept (Scheme), a letter (C), a person (Sinatra), or an animal (Python). Maybe we need explicit namespacing in English? I'll start saying stuff like "programming languages colon colon ruby" so people can be absolutely sure what I'm talking about.
  - hkt 5y ago
    Alas, people might get the wrong idea about what kind of colon you mean.
  - keithnz 5y ago
    erlang
    - akubera 4y ago
      Named after Danish mathematician Agner Krarup Erlang[0] who invented queuing theory & telephone network analysis, but they told management that it stood for "Ericsson language" (at least that's what I remember from a Joe Armstrong presentation, but I can't find it right now.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agner_Krarup_Erlang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agner_Krarup_Erlang
    - IggleSniggle 5y ago
      I’m almost embarrassed to admit this, but I was today days old when I realized that “clang” and “erlang” were really C-lang and Er-lang, much like Go-lang.
- djmips 5y ago
  All Terrible.
bbkane 5y ago
I bet you HATE the Go language name.
- er4hn 5y ago
  I call it "Golang". I also _hate_ the use of 1 letter variables in Golang. Give me three and make it easy to search for symbol names in my no-frills editor. /derail.
  - pstuart 5y ago
    Golang for written communication when you want it to be searchable but day to day usage Go works just fine. The single letter variable approach is sensible and not dogmatic -- e.g., `i` in a tight for loop makes sense.
- neltnerb 5y ago
  I myself just don't understand why any reasonable person would pick an existing common word for a project in 2022 instead of using the plethora of name generators that can give you something original without even trying. But like, people that work for Google surely know something about search term collision. Or just don't care about making anything else that has "Go" in the query gets confusing results. Which is an odd stance for Google employees, but none of my business I guess. Of course it's common anyway, I just don't see why you'd do this to yourself. You either bury your own project, or you are so successful with branding that no one can find what used to have that name. Google can push something hard enough with perfect SEO to make sure that Go the language shows up. A github page? I mean, it's not Google but: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=go&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=go&ia=web First hit -- https://go.dev https://go.dev https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=bubble+tea&ia=places https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=bubble+tea&ia=places This project is not anywhere near the front page and I can't imagine it ever being. Too many different companies are selling boba tea. I never really like it when companies use existing common words, but unless you're a huge project or a company that can push the SEO and marketing it's actively burying your work from anyone finding it.
  - 5y ago

I don't like things that pollute our natural language namespace. Couldn't you have named it something unique?

by djmips 5y ago

I don't like things that pollute our natural language namespace. Couldn't you have named it something unique?

tsm 5y ago

An overwhelming number of programming-related things "pollute our natural language namespace". Off the top of my head: Ruby, Python, Java, Rails, React, Go, Rust, Elm, Dart, C, C#, Node, Next, Nest, Kafka, LaTeX, bash, fish, cat, Android, Apple, Windows… I'd be happy to search for this with "bubble tea framework" or "bubble tea tui" or similar and it doesn't bother me.

dvngnt_ 5y ago
elm?
- kube-system 5y ago
  It’s a type of tree.
- fwip 5y ago
  Yes, an elm is a kind of tree.
mrtranscendence 5y ago
I'm having trouble thinking of a single example of a language, library, or piece of technology that is not either an acronym, a name of something that exists, or a combination of such names. Be it an object (Flask), a concept (Scheme), a letter (C), a person (Sinatra), or an animal (Python). Maybe we need explicit namespacing in English? I'll start saying stuff like "programming languages colon colon ruby" so people can be absolutely sure what I'm talking about.
- hkt 5y ago
  Alas, people might get the wrong idea about what kind of colon you mean.
- keithnz 5y ago
  erlang
  - akubera 4y ago
    Named after Danish mathematician Agner Krarup Erlang[0] who invented queuing theory & telephone network analysis, but they told management that it stood for "Ericsson language" (at least that's what I remember from a Joe Armstrong presentation, but I can't find it right now.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agner_Krarup_Erlang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agner_Krarup_Erlang
  - IggleSniggle 5y ago
    I’m almost embarrassed to admit this, but I was today days old when I realized that “clang” and “erlang” were really C-lang and Er-lang, much like Go-lang.
djmips 5y ago
All Terrible.

bbkane 5y ago

I bet you HATE the Go language name.

er4hn 5y ago
I call it "Golang". I also _hate_ the use of 1 letter variables in Golang. Give me three and make it easy to search for symbol names in my no-frills editor. /derail.
- pstuart 5y ago
  Golang for written communication when you want it to be searchable but day to day usage Go works just fine. The single letter variable approach is sensible and not dogmatic -- e.g., `i` in a tight for loop makes sense.
neltnerb 5y ago
I myself just don't understand why any reasonable person would pick an existing common word for a project in 2022 instead of using the plethora of name generators that can give you something original without even trying. But like, people that work for Google surely know something about search term collision. Or just don't care about making anything else that has "Go" in the query gets confusing results. Which is an odd stance for Google employees, but none of my business I guess. Of course it's common anyway, I just don't see why you'd do this to yourself. You either bury your own project, or you are so successful with branding that no one can find what used to have that name. Google can push something hard enough with perfect SEO to make sure that Go the language shows up. A github page? I mean, it's not Google but: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=go&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=go&ia=web First hit -- https://go.dev https://go.dev https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=bubble+tea&ia=places https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=bubble+tea&ia=places This project is not anywhere near the front page and I can't imagine it ever being. Too many different companies are selling boba tea. I never really like it when companies use existing common words, but unless you're a huge project or a company that can push the SEO and marketing it's actively burying your work from anyone finding it.
- 5y ago