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Ask HN: In what ways can you get into learning serious mathematics?

1 points by newsoul 4y ago

Is entering through Calculus/Analysis the only way to truly learn mathematics? Or are there other equally good ways? What are those?

williamsmj 4y ago
Calculus and analysis is commonly the entry point to "serious" mathematics for engineers and physicists but it is certainly not the "only true way". It's not even particularly the usual way. I recommend the content covered in MIT 6042J, Mathematics for Computer Science (https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/6-042j-mathematics-for-computer-science-fall-2010/ https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/6-042j-mathematics-for-computer-...). The most important part of this course is logic and proof-writing, both of which are foundational tools of serious mathematics, that sometimes get elided if you come in through the physics side (i.e. via calculus and analysis). You will also learn discrete mathematics, i.e. "a bunch of stuff that is useful for cryptography". But I think the foundational stuff about logic and proofs is even more useful. It will rewire your brain in a way that prepares you to go deeper in maths.
SOTGO 4y ago
Mathematics has many subject areas that don't necessarily need to be learned in order. If you wanted you could start down the path of abstract algebra without almost any experience with analysis. Linear algebra is quite approachable and makes a good starting point, all while having interesting applications to help motivate the subject, and it leads directly into a huge swath of serious mathematics. I would argue that the reason analysis is often the first real course American mathematics undergraduates take is due to the fact that calculus is such a staple in high school which makes it a natural progression. Analysis is also a useful way to introduce students to mathematical abstraction by studying familiar things and showing how they can be turned into formal definitions, but this can be accomplished with other subjects as well. For example group theory has plenty of connections to real world objects that you may be familiar with and have intuition for.
- newsoul 4y ago
  Any books that Linear Algebra that teach in this manner?
  - SOTGO 4y ago
    Linear Algebra Done Wrong would be my pick among texts I have worked with directly. It's probably not the easiest, but it is certainly workable. Linear Algebra Done Right is more rigorous, and it is a standard text that has easily accessible solutions and a set of video lectures that may prove useful. Gilbert Strang's "introduction to linear algebra" series for MIT OpenCourseWare has also been recommended frequently, but I can't personally vouch for it.
paulpauper 4y ago
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1 points by newsoul 4y ago

Is entering through Calculus/Analysis the only way to truly learn mathematics? Or are there other equally good ways? What are those?

williamsmj 4y ago

Calculus and analysis is commonly the entry point to "serious" mathematics for engineers and physicists but it is certainly not the "only true way". It's not even particularly the usual way. I recommend the content covered in MIT 6042J, Mathematics for Computer Science (https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/6-042j-mathematics-for-computer-science-fall-2010/ https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/6-042j-mathematics-for-computer-...). The most important part of this course is logic and proof-writing, both of which are foundational tools of serious mathematics, that sometimes get elided if you come in through the physics side (i.e. via calculus and analysis). You will also learn discrete mathematics, i.e. "a bunch of stuff that is useful for cryptography". But I think the foundational stuff about logic and proofs is even more useful. It will rewire your brain in a way that prepares you to go deeper in maths.

SOTGO 4y ago

Mathematics has many subject areas that don't necessarily need to be learned in order. If you wanted you could start down the path of abstract algebra without almost any experience with analysis. Linear algebra is quite approachable and makes a good starting point, all while having interesting applications to help motivate the subject, and it leads directly into a huge swath of serious mathematics. I would argue that the reason analysis is often the first real course American mathematics undergraduates take is due to the fact that calculus is such a staple in high school which makes it a natural progression. Analysis is also a useful way to introduce students to mathematical abstraction by studying familiar things and showing how they can be turned into formal definitions, but this can be accomplished with other subjects as well. For example group theory has plenty of connections to real world objects that you may be familiar with and have intuition for.

newsoul 4y ago
Any books that Linear Algebra that teach in this manner?
- SOTGO 4y ago
  Linear Algebra Done Wrong would be my pick among texts I have worked with directly. It's probably not the easiest, but it is certainly workable. Linear Algebra Done Right is more rigorous, and it is a standard text that has easily accessible solutions and a set of video lectures that may prove useful. Gilbert Strang's "introduction to linear algebra" series for MIT OpenCourseWare has also been recommended frequently, but I can't personally vouch for it.

paulpauper 4y ago

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