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I think he's missing a distinction here. There's people's right not to have their name associated with stuff in public. Either because they've established a p
by TomOfTTB 15y ago
I think he's missing a distinction here.
There's people's right not to have their name associated with stuff in public. Either because they've established a pseudonym they want to be associated with or they want to speak freely without risking harm to their career, family, etc... That's what I consider pseudonymity and that might take a while to implement.
Then there's straight up privacy. That's what he's talking about. The right for you not to be forced to share your name with Google when using a Google sponsored service.
I can understand why a person would be concerned with both but I consider both to be different things
- blahedo 15y ago> That's what I consider pseudonymity But that's not what pretty much everyone pushing pseudonymity in this fight considers pseudonymity, so your distinction is not very helpful.
- TomOfTTB 15y agoWas there a vote I was unaware of? (Sorry, the unflinching confidence in your statement made the snarkyness irresistible to me) I realize there's a spectrum to every debate and it's sometimes hard to know where the fringe is. But I have to assume most people realize Google has the right to know who they are providing a service to. Again, I see the distinction here between Google knowing your name (which I think they have the right to do) and Google using your name to build a whole database on you (which I don't support). But these are all privacy issues. Pseudonymity is about how you present yourself to the community at large and to the best of my knowledge it always has been. For example, Samuel Clemens published under Mark Twain but his publisher paid Samuel Clemens.
- pessimizer 15y agoAre you sure that the publisher paid Samuel Clemens, or are you just assuming that? Things like that are often directed through lawyers in order to maintain the pseudonym. Writers often take pseudonyms seriously, one reason being because what you write could have consequences in your real life.
- mikeryan 15y agoI think he understands the distinction perfectly. He's saying you can't have true Psuedonimity (as you, and Google define it) without complete privacy. If someone can scratch the surface of your psuedonym and find your real name then there's no real point.
- TomOfTTB 15y agoIf Google knows your name but allows you to post under a pseudonym then how can someone scratch the surface and find out your real name (unless they work for Google)? That's like saying you can't post an anonymous blog because the web provider knows your real name.
- mikeryan 15y agothen how can someone scratch the surface and find out your real name A subpoena will do it.
- TomOfTTB 15y agoAgain I think that's a privacy issue more than an issue of being pseudonymous. Someone using a pseudonym wants to be identified they just want to do it on their own terms. What you're talking about is complete anonymity which is a different concept.
- barrkel 15y agoNo; the difference between pseudonymity and anonymity is consistent identity over time. When you have two actions by anonymous actors, you can't correlate them as being initiated by the same actor. With a pseudonym, you can. Correlation with an underlying "real" name is independent. (Misrepresentation and misattribution aside.)
- bigiain 15y agoBy getting a warrant. By not getting a warrant but saying it's a matter of national security. By fraudulently misusing your government id and claiming you have some right to the information.