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You are assuming remote people are OK with being second or third class employees. I'm not sure how long this is going to be true in the post covid world. https

by a_imho 4y ago

You are assuming remote people are OK with being second or third class employees. I'm not sure how long this is going to be true in the post covid world. https://elsajohansson.wordpress.com/2017/09/13/what-does-a-wage-gap-look-like/ https://elsajohansson.wordpress.com/2017/09/13/what-does-a-w...

MontyCarloHall 4y ago
A compensation gap only matters if it also leads to a gap in living standards. Tech salaries in the US are fairly homogenous with respect to cost of living; a developer in Ohio making an Ohio-adjusted salary would be able to afford similar things as a developer in the Bay Area making a Bay Area salary. (In fact, I'd bet that the Ohioan would be able to afford a much nicer house; CoL does not scale uniformly across goods and services with respect to location.) However, tech salaries in the US are much higher than tech salaries in Europe even after adjusting for cost-of-living. That is what leads to resentment: a developer in London making a London salary would not be able to afford the same things as a developer in New York making a New York salary.
jollybean 4y ago
? Nothing I said about that assumed those employees would accept being 'second or third class employees'. They're going to be 'employees'. Now - they will be paid less - yes (maybe that's what you meant?) But that's a function of supply and demand. They will absolutely accept 'less' because it's where they sit on the supply/demand curve.
- a_imho 4y ago
  Discrimination is not a function of supply and demand, it is a function of lack of legal protection. One can argue underleveraged groups does not deserve equal treatment unless they can overpower their situation, but personally I disagree with that opinion. I also totally understand if someone feels their salary is under threat and does not want to treat others fairly due to that. To be completely honest, there is a nonzero chance I would do the same if I was on the good end of the deal as well. I'm not holding my breath over the situation changing in the near future, but 2 years of remote work do make people reconsider things.
  - jollybean 4y ago
    Your ideas are mixed up here. Companies are not 'discriminating' against people in other countries due to 'lack of legal protection'. They are just hiring people in other countries, and paying them what they are worth. That's it. It's 100% supply and demand. There are good and bad developers everywhere, and cost of living and opportunities are different everywhere. Supply and Demand will work itself out.
    - a_imho 4y ago
      Do you think pay gaps exist in general or all compensation is fair and square because of supply and demand fixes everything?

by a_imho 4y ago

MontyCarloHall 4y ago

A compensation gap only matters if it also leads to a gap in living standards. Tech salaries in the US are fairly homogenous with respect to cost of living; a developer in Ohio making an Ohio-adjusted salary would be able to afford similar things as a developer in the Bay Area making a Bay Area salary. (In fact, I'd bet that the Ohioan would be able to afford a much nicer house; CoL does not scale uniformly across goods and services with respect to location.) However, tech salaries in the US are much higher than tech salaries in Europe even after adjusting for cost-of-living. That is what leads to resentment: a developer in London making a London salary would not be able to afford the same things as a developer in New York making a New York salary.

jollybean 4y ago

? Nothing I said about that assumed those employees would accept being 'second or third class employees'. They're going to be 'employees'. Now - they will be paid less - yes (maybe that's what you meant?) But that's a function of supply and demand. They will absolutely accept 'less' because it's where they sit on the supply/demand curve.

a_imho 4y ago
Discrimination is not a function of supply and demand, it is a function of lack of legal protection. One can argue underleveraged groups does not deserve equal treatment unless they can overpower their situation, but personally I disagree with that opinion. I also totally understand if someone feels their salary is under threat and does not want to treat others fairly due to that. To be completely honest, there is a nonzero chance I would do the same if I was on the good end of the deal as well. I'm not holding my breath over the situation changing in the near future, but 2 years of remote work do make people reconsider things.
- jollybean 4y ago
  Your ideas are mixed up here. Companies are not 'discriminating' against people in other countries due to 'lack of legal protection'. They are just hiring people in other countries, and paying them what they are worth. That's it. It's 100% supply and demand. There are good and bad developers everywhere, and cost of living and opportunities are different everywhere. Supply and Demand will work itself out.
  - a_imho 4y ago
    Do you think pay gaps exist in general or all compensation is fair and square because of supply and demand fixes everything?