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"Academics write articles for Elsevier journals for free and hand over copyright; other academics review and edit these papers for free; and Elsevier then sells

"Academics write articles for Elsevier journals for free and hand over copyright; other academics review and edit these papers for free; and Elsevier then sells these papers back to academics." -- This is not accurate. Elsevier journals also charge huge amount of fees (around or over $1000 depends on the journals) from academics for submitting and/or publishing their manuscripts. --edit: changed submitting to submitting and/or publishing

lou1306 4y ago
Uhm, no? That may be true for open access publications, but traditional publishing (with Elsevier or others) is typically free of charge.
- Ansil849 4y ago
  > That may be true for open access publications, but traditional publishing (with Elsevier or others) is typically free of charge. Yes, and Elsevier has open access journals with APCs (article publishing costs).
- malshe 4y ago
  It depends on the field. Accounting and finance journals have significant submission fees. For example, the Journal of Financial Economics, an Elsevier journal, charges $750 for the initial submission and then lower fees for each resubmissions ($500 for the first resubmission, $250 for the second) https://www.elsevier.com/journals/journal-of-financial-economics/0304-405X/guide-for-authors https://www.elsevier.com/journals/journal-of-financial-econo...
  - sampo 4y ago
    Looks like you can first volunteer to work as a reviewer of manuscripts for the journal, to earn rights for reduced submission fees, or completely free submissions. Maybe the Economics community has problems to find reviewers, the journal is resorting to that trick to find some balance between submitted manuscripts and available reviewers.
- stone0338 4y ago
  See this link for publication fees from elsevier journals. It includes both traditional publication and open access publication. https://www.elsevier.com/about/policies/pricing https://www.elsevier.com/about/policies/pricing The document can be downloaded using the link below https://www.elsevier.com/books-and-journals/journal-pricing/apc-pricelist https://www.elsevier.com/books-and-journals/journal-pricing/...
BeetleB 4y ago
I've never paid a publication fee for any publication. Very dependent on the journal. (Also, journals charge for things like color images, etc).
sampo 4y ago
> -- This is not accurate. Elsevier journals also charge huge amount of fees (around or over $1000 depends on the journals) from academics for submitting and/or publishing their manuscripts. This is not an accurate description. Non-open journals journals have started to offer the option that you can pay that, maybe $1000 (varies a lot), publication fee if you want the journal to publish your article as open access. But this is optional.

lou1306 4y ago

Uhm, no? That may be true for open access publications, but traditional publishing (with Elsevier or others) is typically free of charge.

Ansil849 4y ago
> That may be true for open access publications, but traditional publishing (with Elsevier or others) is typically free of charge. Yes, and Elsevier has open access journals with APCs (article publishing costs).
malshe 4y ago
It depends on the field. Accounting and finance journals have significant submission fees. For example, the Journal of Financial Economics, an Elsevier journal, charges $750 for the initial submission and then lower fees for each resubmissions ($500 for the first resubmission, $250 for the second) https://www.elsevier.com/journals/journal-of-financial-economics/0304-405X/guide-for-authors https://www.elsevier.com/journals/journal-of-financial-econo...
- sampo 4y ago
  Looks like you can first volunteer to work as a reviewer of manuscripts for the journal, to earn rights for reduced submission fees, or completely free submissions. Maybe the Economics community has problems to find reviewers, the journal is resorting to that trick to find some balance between submitted manuscripts and available reviewers.
stone0338 4y ago
See this link for publication fees from elsevier journals. It includes both traditional publication and open access publication. https://www.elsevier.com/about/policies/pricing https://www.elsevier.com/about/policies/pricing The document can be downloaded using the link below https://www.elsevier.com/books-and-journals/journal-pricing/apc-pricelist https://www.elsevier.com/books-and-journals/journal-pricing/...

BeetleB 4y ago

I've never paid a publication fee for any publication. Very dependent on the journal. (Also, journals charge for things like color images, etc).

sampo 4y ago

> -- This is not accurate. Elsevier journals also charge huge amount of fees (around or over $1000 depends on the journals) from academics for submitting and/or publishing their manuscripts. This is not an accurate description. Non-open journals journals have started to offer the option that you can pay that, maybe $1000 (varies a lot), publication fee if you want the journal to publish your article as open access. But this is optional.