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> If it could have been outsourced it would have already been outsourced It already has been outsourced and then re-insourced as soon as the quality was eviden

> If it could have been outsourced it would have already been outsourced It already has been outsourced and then re-insourced as soon as the quality was evident.

joshstrange 4y ago
> It already has been outsourced and then re-insourced as soon as the quality was evident. And you don't hear about it because no company wants to advertise eating crow. I once worked for a place that made a huge deal about "$comapnyName China" office opening. A few weeks later I was asked to review a project they did, 150+ hours logged, didn't follow any of our style guides, didn't work, showed a complete lack of understanding of the framework we were using. I redid the entire project in 8 hours. The "China branch" didn't last long after that, but it also was never mentioned again, they swept it under the rug and pretended it never existed. I'm sure some morons will outsource their development, I'll find the smarter companies and work for them until the "who cares, it saves money" group is ousted or comes to their senses (unlikely).
ActionHank 4y ago
A common trend I've seen for roles recruiters have contacted me on was for startups that outsourced huge chunks of development and are looking for senior \ staff developer to ensure the quality stays above board.
jollybean 4y ago
'Hiring cheap body shop devs. from poor country X' - is not what's happening here. This is not 'offshore body shop' movement. It's the 'hire from anywhere movement' because 'remote working' ... and anyone doubting this is in for hard awakening. The underlying assumption that US devs are somehow 'better' is absurdly wrong. US businesses are often better, for a variety or reasons, pushing up the salaries of those who can ultimately work 'in the office' (by passport or whatever) - but that's changing due to 'remote work'. It's a big, real, secular, probably transformation change. It's probably for the better actually - the only problem I have with it is the the accumulation of capital by shareholders who have more power.
- commandlinefan 4y ago
  > The underlying assumption that US devs are somehow 'better' Who ever said that? 99% of US devs are Indian devs anyway - in 30 years of developing software I've probably only ever worked with a few dozen US natives. Devs in the same time zone, with at least a passing knowledge of US culture, on the other hand...

> If it could have been outsourced it would have already been outsourced It already has been outsourced and then re-insourced as soon as the quality was evident.

joshstrange 4y ago

> It already has been outsourced and then re-insourced as soon as the quality was evident. And you don't hear about it because no company wants to advertise eating crow. I once worked for a place that made a huge deal about "$comapnyName China" office opening. A few weeks later I was asked to review a project they did, 150+ hours logged, didn't follow any of our style guides, didn't work, showed a complete lack of understanding of the framework we were using. I redid the entire project in 8 hours. The "China branch" didn't last long after that, but it also was never mentioned again, they swept it under the rug and pretended it never existed. I'm sure some morons will outsource their development, I'll find the smarter companies and work for them until the "who cares, it saves money" group is ousted or comes to their senses (unlikely).

ActionHank 4y ago

A common trend I've seen for roles recruiters have contacted me on was for startups that outsourced huge chunks of development and are looking for senior \ staff developer to ensure the quality stays above board.

jollybean 4y ago

'Hiring cheap body shop devs. from poor country X' - is not what's happening here. This is not 'offshore body shop' movement. It's the 'hire from anywhere movement' because 'remote working' ... and anyone doubting this is in for hard awakening. The underlying assumption that US devs are somehow 'better' is absurdly wrong. US businesses are often better, for a variety or reasons, pushing up the salaries of those who can ultimately work 'in the office' (by passport or whatever) - but that's changing due to 'remote work'. It's a big, real, secular, probably transformation change. It's probably for the better actually - the only problem I have with it is the the accumulation of capital by shareholders who have more power.

commandlinefan 4y ago
> The underlying assumption that US devs are somehow 'better' Who ever said that? 99% of US devs are Indian devs anyway - in 30 years of developing software I've probably only ever worked with a few dozen US natives. Devs in the same time zone, with at least a passing knowledge of US culture, on the other hand...