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I feel we're discussing a difference in terminology, where to me business card creation sites and Squarespace/Wix are not tools but services. Case in point, yo

I feel we're discussing a difference in terminology, where to me business card creation sites and Squarespace/Wix are not tools but services. Case in point, you probably have to order your business card from the site you built it, and you continue paying a monthly/annual fee to Squarespace/Wix once your site is up. Both tools and services should exist, and there should be something available at every price point. The point I think was just that there are simple ways to build a site if your needs are simple and you're OK with learning how to do it. If you're not there are myriads of other solutions to tend to your needs.

DrewADesign 4y ago
The distinction between software and service is irrelevant to this conversation. In this context, a webpage and a business card are functionally the same thing— static advertisement and identification. If nontechnical users have software to create an abstraction which gets written into a machine-readable format, whether than gets sent directly to a web host or business card printer doesn't matter. I mean hell— most modern professional software development toolchains are at least partly service-based already.
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  > The distinction between software and service I kinda disagree. You are responsible for the first, while the provider is responsible for the second. For instance when we pay for gitlab or Adobe CS, if it's down it's on us to workaround or plan for the situation and deliver the final product to our clients according to plan. When we pay for Squarespace, it's on them to deliver the final product to our customers, the puck ends there and if it dies there will be little we can do to help, short of switching DNS to a backup site.
  - DrewADesign 4y ago
    Ok— Figma is a browser-based SaaS design and vector graphics creation tool— a large chunk of commercially-used vector graphics are made using Figma right now. Figma isn't a service because the end-user doesn't touch it? Where you're drawing the line between a service and tool is an artifact of your perspective. Whether someone further along in the cycle must push a button to trigger some part of that process or if the code is executed on your local machine, a docker instance on your machine, a docker instance on a server, or wherever else is an implementation detail.

DrewADesign 4y ago

The distinction between software and service is irrelevant to this conversation. In this context, a webpage and a business card are functionally the same thing— static advertisement and identification. If nontechnical users have software to create an abstraction which gets written into a machine-readable format, whether than gets sent directly to a web host or business card printer doesn't matter. I mean hell— most modern professional software development toolchains are at least partly service-based already.

makeitdouble 4y ago
> The distinction between software and service I kinda disagree. You are responsible for the first, while the provider is responsible for the second. For instance when we pay for gitlab or Adobe CS, if it's down it's on us to workaround or plan for the situation and deliver the final product to our clients according to plan. When we pay for Squarespace, it's on them to deliver the final product to our customers, the puck ends there and if it dies there will be little we can do to help, short of switching DNS to a backup site.
- DrewADesign 4y ago
  Ok— Figma is a browser-based SaaS design and vector graphics creation tool— a large chunk of commercially-used vector graphics are made using Figma right now. Figma isn't a service because the end-user doesn't touch it? Where you're drawing the line between a service and tool is an artifact of your perspective. Whether someone further along in the cycle must push a button to trigger some part of that process or if the code is executed on your local machine, a docker instance on your machine, a docker instance on a server, or wherever else is an implementation detail.