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> sexual predator teachers You need to chill, dude. I am not defending child molesters. I am not even claiming that capital investment is evil. I am simply poi

by jusssi 4y ago

> sexual predator teachers You need to chill, dude. I am not defending child molesters. I am not even claiming that capital investment is evil. I am simply pointing out the fact that the relation is parasitic. > As an investor, I don't see a single cent of profit in this case. Then you aren't paying capital gains tax either, so I don't see the problem. I'm curious though, do you also not expect to get any profit for this particular investment in the future? When you have got back your inflation adjusted initial capital + a modest interest + a reward for the risk, do you mail your share certificates back to Cloudflare with a note, thank you, good doing business with you?

lukas099 4y ago
It's not parasitic, it's symbiotic. Without profit-seeking capital, there would be no opportuinities for productive labor.
- Layke1123 4y ago
  You can't think of any reason people would provide productive labor without their being profit-seeking capital? Do you really, truly believe that? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.
- jusssi 4y ago
  It starts off as symbiotic (you give capital for future profit), but becomes parasitic (you just keep leeching profit without giving anything more in return). At least, that is what I plan to do. Stop working and live as a full-time parasite as soon as I can afford it. Maybe others here are more altruistic.
  - 0xy 4y ago
    Buying a non-dividend stock and selling it a higher price does not cost the company a cent. The profit doesn't come from the company at all.
0xy 4y ago
You don't appear to understand how either stocks or CGT works. Cloudflare does not issue dividends. Dividends are distributions of profit. If I bought Cloudflare stock at $30 and sold at $90, for example, the $60 profit I'm making isn't taken from Cloudflare, it's paid by the buyer on the other end of the stock trade, which is usually an institution or a retail buyer. I'm not and are never "taking profit" from Cloudflare, in fact I provide them liquidity and also allow them to dilute my ownership in order to pay their employees in stock grants. Selling shares doesn't really mean the company is hurt by it, especially since I'm a retail investor who doesn't have the capital to impact the price even a single cent. Owning their stock when they aren't paying dividends is a bet that either growth of the company will inflate the price so I can profit, or it's a bet that they'll one day issue dividends (not anytime soon).
- jusssi 4y ago
  From the company POV the capital investment is the outstanding shares. The shares need to be kept happy with some combination of immediate profit and continuosly growing projection of future profit (i.e. investing into growth), or they start to lose value in the market and become even more unhappy. Eventually investing into growth runs into diminishing returns and immediate profit becomes the dominant component. The profit you get from buying and selling on the market is either a result of the shares being kept happy, or taking advantage of market mechanics. The latter is mostly a form of gambling that doesn't produce value.

by jusssi 4y ago

lukas099 4y ago

It's not parasitic, it's symbiotic. Without profit-seeking capital, there would be no opportuinities for productive labor.

Layke1123 4y ago
You can't think of any reason people would provide productive labor without their being profit-seeking capital? Do you really, truly believe that? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.
jusssi 4y ago
It starts off as symbiotic (you give capital for future profit), but becomes parasitic (you just keep leeching profit without giving anything more in return). At least, that is what I plan to do. Stop working and live as a full-time parasite as soon as I can afford it. Maybe others here are more altruistic.
- 0xy 4y ago
  Buying a non-dividend stock and selling it a higher price does not cost the company a cent. The profit doesn't come from the company at all.

0xy 4y ago

You don't appear to understand how either stocks or CGT works. Cloudflare does not issue dividends. Dividends are distributions of profit. If I bought Cloudflare stock at $30 and sold at $90, for example, the $60 profit I'm making isn't taken from Cloudflare, it's paid by the buyer on the other end of the stock trade, which is usually an institution or a retail buyer. I'm not and are never "taking profit" from Cloudflare, in fact I provide them liquidity and also allow them to dilute my ownership in order to pay their employees in stock grants. Selling shares doesn't really mean the company is hurt by it, especially since I'm a retail investor who doesn't have the capital to impact the price even a single cent. Owning their stock when they aren't paying dividends is a bet that either growth of the company will inflate the price so I can profit, or it's a bet that they'll one day issue dividends (not anytime soon).

jusssi 4y ago
From the company POV the capital investment is the outstanding shares. The shares need to be kept happy with some combination of immediate profit and continuosly growing projection of future profit (i.e. investing into growth), or they start to lose value in the market and become even more unhappy. Eventually investing into growth runs into diminishing returns and immediate profit becomes the dominant component. The profit you get from buying and selling on the market is either a result of the shares being kept happy, or taking advantage of market mechanics. The latter is mostly a form of gambling that doesn't produce value.