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Musk says relax Twitter rules will boost free speech, research shows otherwise

Proven 5y ago
aurizon 5y ago
He wants a 'bully pulpit'? - well he will get one, but not in the form Roosevelt conducted, where bully means prominent or noteworthy - he will harvest a crop of real bullies of the type that struck at his youthful superior intellect with fists... I suspect a degree of moderation will be forced to emerge.
ddingus 5y ago
Frankly, after seeing the usual establishment media types cry out they need to control media and general comms, and factoring in how much misinformation they have put out there, I am eager to see what Musk ends up showing us. I am not saying Musk is right, or will be better, or anything of the kind. No one can know. We shall see. I am saying having this play out is very high value.
- krapp 5y ago
  >I am eager to see what Musk ends up showing us. Why? We already know what it looks like, we've seen it countless times already on 4chan, Reddit, Parler, Gab, etc. Lack of moderation doesn't lead to greater quality or in-depth intellectual discussion, it doesn't reveal truths suppressed by the establishment, it just creates a cesspool of harassment, trolling and crackpottery. But sure, let's run the experiment again and maybe this time the results will be different.
  - ddingus 5y ago
    Musk getting hold of Twitter is great! And you saying it is the same experiment is part of why. It is not at all the same. So yeah, let's continue. All those things you mention are still happening. Every day. It is all about who gets to do it and why. I expect to see those things highlighted soon and when they are, we can have this talk. It may have a lot more value too.
prirun 5y ago
I ran public forums in a previous business. Customers paid us every month for other services; the forum was just a side benefit. It was great when we had around 1000 people able to post. Not all did of course, but it remained civil. Once there were around 2000, a small "gang" of troublemakers formed. Not many people, maybe 10. But they monopolized the board posts, especially if we did something they didn't like, for example, raised fees. It degraded very rapidly after that until we had to close them. I would have like to try some simple automated moderation. Real moderation IMO doesn't work, for lots of reasons: a) it's personal for the person being moderated; b) it doesn't scale; c) it isn't uniform. One thing I wanted to try was to severely limit posts, like to once/day. My reasoning was: - it keeps a few people from going round and round arguing and trying to convince each other they are right. This quickly get boring for others who are only reading - it gives everyone a chance to give their opinion rather than being drowned out by someone with more time and/or energy to post. Having more time+energy to post does not mean a person's ideas are better (IMO it's more the opposite). The difficulty is in verifying a person uses only 1 account or a business account and personal account. That was easy for us because they paid every month for other services, but will be hard for Twitter, especially considering privacy concerns.

He wants a 'bully pulpit'? - well he will get one, but not in the form Roosevelt conducted, where bully means prominent or noteworthy - he will harvest a crop of real bullies of the type that struck at his youthful superior intellect with fists... I suspect a degree of moderation will be forced to emerge.

ddingus 5y ago

Frankly, after seeing the usual establishment media types cry out they need to control media and general comms, and factoring in how much misinformation they have put out there, I am eager to see what Musk ends up showing us. I am not saying Musk is right, or will be better, or anything of the kind. No one can know. We shall see. I am saying having this play out is very high value.

krapp 5y ago
>I am eager to see what Musk ends up showing us. Why? We already know what it looks like, we've seen it countless times already on 4chan, Reddit, Parler, Gab, etc. Lack of moderation doesn't lead to greater quality or in-depth intellectual discussion, it doesn't reveal truths suppressed by the establishment, it just creates a cesspool of harassment, trolling and crackpottery. But sure, let's run the experiment again and maybe this time the results will be different.
- ddingus 5y ago
  Musk getting hold of Twitter is great! And you saying it is the same experiment is part of why. It is not at all the same. So yeah, let's continue. All those things you mention are still happening. Every day. It is all about who gets to do it and why. I expect to see those things highlighted soon and when they are, we can have this talk. It may have a lot more value too.

prirun 5y ago

I ran public forums in a previous business. Customers paid us every month for other services; the forum was just a side benefit. It was great when we had around 1000 people able to post. Not all did of course, but it remained civil. Once there were around 2000, a small "gang" of troublemakers formed. Not many people, maybe 10. But they monopolized the board posts, especially if we did something they didn't like, for example, raised fees. It degraded very rapidly after that until we had to close them. I would have like to try some simple automated moderation. Real moderation IMO doesn't work, for lots of reasons: a) it's personal for the person being moderated; b) it doesn't scale; c) it isn't uniform. One thing I wanted to try was to severely limit posts, like to once/day. My reasoning was: - it keeps a few people from going round and round arguing and trying to convince each other they are right. This quickly get boring for others who are only reading - it gives everyone a chance to give their opinion rather than being drowned out by someone with more time and/or energy to post. Having more time+energy to post does not mean a person's ideas are better (IMO it's more the opposite). The difficulty is in verifying a person uses only 1 account or a business account and personal account. That was easy for us because they paid every month for other services, but will be hard for Twitter, especially considering privacy concerns.