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What do you do if you are allergic to fish but don't want to take supplements?

by djmips 5y ago

triyambakam 5y ago
Algae oil. That's what I take as a vegan, and I also eat ground flax and chia in smoothies regularly
- stefantalpalaru 5y ago
- pure_simplicity 5y ago
  ALA (short chain omega 3) is very important to get. It is converted to DHA/EPA, but the conversion efficiency depends on the ratio between your omega 6 and omega 3 intake. The same enzyme that converts ALA to DHA converts omega 6 to the inflamatory arachidonic acid. Since omega 6 is so abundant in most oil rich foods, you have to be mindful of how much you ingest relative to ALA omega 3, which is harder to come by. Hence the algea oil is important too, because it contians pre-formed DHA/EPA Just to give some bacground info.
  - triyambakam 5y ago
    Thanks for the further detail! I don't eat any processed foods. My diet is dals and pulses, fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds. Breakfast is e.g. masoor dal, lunch is apples, mangos and strawberries with ground flax, then lobhiya, and dinner greens or broccoli, fermented veggies, onion and chana.
ddorian43 5y ago
Eat more ruminant red meat.
- pure_simplicity 5y ago
  That would have to be grass fed for best results. it's the ALA (short chain omega 3) in the greens that get converted to DHA/EPA so grain fed won't have a lot of omega 3. You can observe this difference in the butter from grass fed versus grain fed: thd grass fed derived butter melts at lower temperatures because of the higher omega 3. However you can also take algea or algea derived omega 3 supplements, i think the species is called nannochloropsis gaditana, and it has vegan omega 3, so probably causes no issues with fish allergies.
Terry_Roll 5y ago
Assuming you dont want to take fish supplements. Carnitine (L or N Acetyl) because Carnitine although made in the body helps the body use fatty acids as energy in the mitochondria. Limited studies because obviously it cant be patented and a decent study will cost in excess of £/$/€1million, but existing studies suggest the above, it only seems to have an effect on those who are obese which would seem logical, and it also works on aging humans perhaps because the amounts produced by the body decline with age. It also seems to help with depression so the comfort eating may decline. Its also linked to glutamate, glycine and something else in the brain but studies exist in the usual places and some medical experts also discuss it on Youtube if you cant interpret the studies found in places in like pubmed or google scholar. The only suggested risk with Carnitine is an increase in something called TMAO (Tri MethylAmine Oxidase) its what makes fish and vagina's (trimethylaminuria) smell this can be elevated with Choline or Carnitine if certain bacteria exist and although TMAO is thought to help contribute to atherosclerosis, Fish which is touted as healthy like here is also high in TMAO, so there are questions over whether TMAO is actually good or bad. Some seeds also have omega 3's and 6's, they are precursors for CBD, but you'll find the Omega's in most diets so if you dont want it to be used for CBD production, maybe consume some CBD.
- pure_simplicity 5y ago
  There is not much to question about TMAO being bad. Fish having a high Omega 3 content which is protective against atherosclerosis may explain why TMAO from fish consumption is not as problematic as that from consumption of other meats. Before we start reconsidering if TMAO is bad, it's far less speculative to consider whether tmao's bad effects that are known have been offset by positive effects of omega 3 which are also known.
  - Terry_Roll 5y ago
    I wonder whether atherosclerosis is increased with lower vitamin K1 intakes, you see the arteries get harder with low K1, too much calcium and phosphate rigidise the outer wall, to the point they become hard like metal tubes. Now with plumbing and scale from hardwater, scale forms more easily on hard inflexible surfaces than flexible surfaces. So K1 puts the elasticity back in various tissues which makes me wonder if the plaques are then capable of forming and importantly adhering to the surface? There is also a case for regular exercise to increase the blood pressure operating range, ie going from low to high blood pressure and back again. So I'm not totally convinced at this stage that TMAO is actually bad for us, it just seems to stimulate so parts of the immune system. Besides there are ways to reduce TMAO, like consuming more Taurine (Red Bull), using nicotinic acid which incidentally also increases the release of triglycerides from adipose tissue, I got a six pack just from 500mg of nicotinic acid a day and walking, the only non patentable statin that is and arguably safer considering the man made statins can cause brain fog amongst other side effects. Carnitine and nicotinic acid would certainly go well together for weight loss, but it definitely needs some K1 then to protect the tissues & K2-mk4 to protect the bones if doing nicotinic acid.
jakswa 5y ago
I'm no nutritionist but I read that one source might be: high-oleic sunflower canola oils. > Sunflower oil is naturally high in polyunsaturated fatty acids, which are great for frying and cooking with but can expire quickly. To remedy this, harvesters have bred a healthier form of this oil that is lower in polyunsaturated fats and higher in oleic acid. https://soylent.com/blogs/news/healthy-plant-fats-your-body-needs https://soylent.com/blogs/news/healthy-plant-fats-your-body-...

What do you do if you are allergic to fish but don't want to take supplements?

by djmips 5y ago

What do you do if you are allergic to fish but don't want to take supplements?

triyambakam 5y ago

Algae oil. That's what I take as a vegan, and I also eat ground flax and chia in smoothies regularly

stefantalpalaru 5y ago
pure_simplicity 5y ago
ALA (short chain omega 3) is very important to get. It is converted to DHA/EPA, but the conversion efficiency depends on the ratio between your omega 6 and omega 3 intake. The same enzyme that converts ALA to DHA converts omega 6 to the inflamatory arachidonic acid. Since omega 6 is so abundant in most oil rich foods, you have to be mindful of how much you ingest relative to ALA omega 3, which is harder to come by. Hence the algea oil is important too, because it contians pre-formed DHA/EPA Just to give some bacground info.
- triyambakam 5y ago
  Thanks for the further detail! I don't eat any processed foods. My diet is dals and pulses, fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds. Breakfast is e.g. masoor dal, lunch is apples, mangos and strawberries with ground flax, then lobhiya, and dinner greens or broccoli, fermented veggies, onion and chana.

ddorian43 5y ago

Eat more ruminant red meat.

pure_simplicity 5y ago
That would have to be grass fed for best results. it's the ALA (short chain omega 3) in the greens that get converted to DHA/EPA so grain fed won't have a lot of omega 3. You can observe this difference in the butter from grass fed versus grain fed: thd grass fed derived butter melts at lower temperatures because of the higher omega 3. However you can also take algea or algea derived omega 3 supplements, i think the species is called nannochloropsis gaditana, and it has vegan omega 3, so probably causes no issues with fish allergies.

Terry_Roll 5y ago

Assuming you dont want to take fish supplements. Carnitine (L or N Acetyl) because Carnitine although made in the body helps the body use fatty acids as energy in the mitochondria. Limited studies because obviously it cant be patented and a decent study will cost in excess of £/$/€1million, but existing studies suggest the above, it only seems to have an effect on those who are obese which would seem logical, and it also works on aging humans perhaps because the amounts produced by the body decline with age. It also seems to help with depression so the comfort eating may decline. Its also linked to glutamate, glycine and something else in the brain but studies exist in the usual places and some medical experts also discuss it on Youtube if you cant interpret the studies found in places in like pubmed or google scholar. The only suggested risk with Carnitine is an increase in something called TMAO (Tri MethylAmine Oxidase) its what makes fish and vagina's (trimethylaminuria) smell this can be elevated with Choline or Carnitine if certain bacteria exist and although TMAO is thought to help contribute to atherosclerosis, Fish which is touted as healthy like here is also high in TMAO, so there are questions over whether TMAO is actually good or bad. Some seeds also have omega 3's and 6's, they are precursors for CBD, but you'll find the Omega's in most diets so if you dont want it to be used for CBD production, maybe consume some CBD.

pure_simplicity 5y ago
There is not much to question about TMAO being bad. Fish having a high Omega 3 content which is protective against atherosclerosis may explain why TMAO from fish consumption is not as problematic as that from consumption of other meats. Before we start reconsidering if TMAO is bad, it's far less speculative to consider whether tmao's bad effects that are known have been offset by positive effects of omega 3 which are also known.
- Terry_Roll 5y ago
  I wonder whether atherosclerosis is increased with lower vitamin K1 intakes, you see the arteries get harder with low K1, too much calcium and phosphate rigidise the outer wall, to the point they become hard like metal tubes. Now with plumbing and scale from hardwater, scale forms more easily on hard inflexible surfaces than flexible surfaces. So K1 puts the elasticity back in various tissues which makes me wonder if the plaques are then capable of forming and importantly adhering to the surface? There is also a case for regular exercise to increase the blood pressure operating range, ie going from low to high blood pressure and back again. So I'm not totally convinced at this stage that TMAO is actually bad for us, it just seems to stimulate so parts of the immune system. Besides there are ways to reduce TMAO, like consuming more Taurine (Red Bull), using nicotinic acid which incidentally also increases the release of triglycerides from adipose tissue, I got a six pack just from 500mg of nicotinic acid a day and walking, the only non patentable statin that is and arguably safer considering the man made statins can cause brain fog amongst other side effects. Carnitine and nicotinic acid would certainly go well together for weight loss, but it definitely needs some K1 then to protect the tissues & K2-mk4 to protect the bones if doing nicotinic acid.

jakswa 5y ago

I'm no nutritionist but I read that one source might be: high-oleic sunflower canola oils. > Sunflower oil is naturally high in polyunsaturated fatty acids, which are great for frying and cooking with but can expire quickly. To remedy this, harvesters have bred a healthier form of this oil that is lower in polyunsaturated fats and higher in oleic acid. https://soylent.com/blogs/news/healthy-plant-fats-your-body-needs https://soylent.com/blogs/news/healthy-plant-fats-your-body-...