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Defaults in emacs are great. You're just brain damaged like all ed and ed-adjacent editor users. No offense.

by midislack 4y ago

na85 4y ago
I actually use emacs as my primary editor and like it a lot. The difference is I'm not a zealot.
- midislack 4y ago
  If you weren’t a zealot you wouldn’t be complaining about eMacs lacking the defaults you’re used to in whatever brain damaged editor you are more adroit with. It’s a common thing, don’t worry about it. Most people are brain damaged from poor first choice in editors.
  - na85 4y ago
    >you wouldn’t be complaining about eMacs lacking the defaults you’re used to in whatever brain damaged editor you are more adroit with You're not actually understanding what I've written, if this is your takeaway.
klibertp 4y ago
How could anyone call another "brain damaged" and then demand to them not to be offended? Like, seriously. If you're going to insult someone, live up to it and prepare for a backlash instead of trying to get away with "no offense" quip... Also: Emacs user here, for more than a decade. My opinion: the defaults in Emacs are horrible. They were set in different times, on different computers, with different keyboards. They should get changed. I think most users agree with that. The problem is that whatever we would change the defaults to, it would estrange a part of the community. So nothing gets done. Advanced users don't see the point of struggling, since they already have everything rebound to the keys/menus/toolbars/etc. they want and need. New user see the need, but don't have the skills. It's really a Gordian-knot type of problem. As an aside: similar thing goes on with Emacs' terminal support. It's obvious that maintaining compatibility with display technology from the '70s takes a real toll on both developers time, and improvements that would be possible if not for that compatibility. But then you get a huge crowd that uses Emacs via SSH somewhere, and they go rabid if you mention anything about dropping the terminal support.
- na85 4y ago
  >How could anyone call another "brain damaged" and then demand to them not to be offended? Like, seriously. If you're going to insult someone, live up to it and prepare for a backlash instead of trying to get away with "no offense" quip... Just some shmuck whose identity is all wrapped up in his text editor. Kinda sad really.
- midislack 4y ago
  I must just be somebody who likes things that are "really bad" because I'm "out of touch." One neat thing I learned ages ago is when you run across a blowhard troll, you top them, go one better. Rile them up and beat them at their own game. Why defend somebody who's quite literally asking for it? Doesn't make sense.
  - klibertp 4y ago
    Ah. Ok. Carry on, then... ;-)

Defaults in emacs are great. You're just brain damaged like all ed and ed-adjacent editor users. No offense.

na85 4y ago

I actually use emacs as my primary editor and like it a lot. The difference is I'm not a zealot.

midislack 4y ago
If you weren’t a zealot you wouldn’t be complaining about eMacs lacking the defaults you’re used to in whatever brain damaged editor you are more adroit with. It’s a common thing, don’t worry about it. Most people are brain damaged from poor first choice in editors.
- na85 4y ago
  >you wouldn’t be complaining about eMacs lacking the defaults you’re used to in whatever brain damaged editor you are more adroit with You're not actually understanding what I've written, if this is your takeaway.

klibertp 4y ago

How could anyone call another "brain damaged" and then demand to them not to be offended? Like, seriously. If you're going to insult someone, live up to it and prepare for a backlash instead of trying to get away with "no offense" quip... Also: Emacs user here, for more than a decade. My opinion: the defaults in Emacs are horrible. They were set in different times, on different computers, with different keyboards. They should get changed. I think most users agree with that. The problem is that whatever we would change the defaults to, it would estrange a part of the community. So nothing gets done. Advanced users don't see the point of struggling, since they already have everything rebound to the keys/menus/toolbars/etc. they want and need. New user see the need, but don't have the skills. It's really a Gordian-knot type of problem. As an aside: similar thing goes on with Emacs' terminal support. It's obvious that maintaining compatibility with display technology from the '70s takes a real toll on both developers time, and improvements that would be possible if not for that compatibility. But then you get a huge crowd that uses Emacs via SSH somewhere, and they go rabid if you mention anything about dropping the terminal support.

na85 4y ago
>How could anyone call another "brain damaged" and then demand to them not to be offended? Like, seriously. If you're going to insult someone, live up to it and prepare for a backlash instead of trying to get away with "no offense" quip... Just some shmuck whose identity is all wrapped up in his text editor. Kinda sad really.
midislack 4y ago
I must just be somebody who likes things that are "really bad" because I'm "out of touch." One neat thing I learned ages ago is when you run across a blowhard troll, you top them, go one better. Rile them up and beat them at their own game. Why defend somebody who's quite literally asking for it? Doesn't make sense.
- klibertp 4y ago
  Ah. Ok. Carry on, then... ;-)