100% agree. "It's not a real programming language" has become construed as an attack against anyone who makes a career in tech writing DSLs, now everyone labels

100% agree. "It's not a real programming language" has become construed as an attack against anyone who makes a career in tech writing DSLs, now everyone labels anything technical as "programming". Laypeople probably think JSON is programming. DSLs hardly mean "not a real programmer". SQL is a DSL, and I'd wager some people make more money writing SQL than other mainstream languages.