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I’m an MD who trained in NYC. I have also had emergency surgery in the NHS at one of their most prestigious hospitals in London and so I feel like I’ve seen the
by et2o 4y ago
I’m an MD who trained in NYC. I have also had emergency surgery in the NHS at one of their most prestigious hospitals in London and so I feel like I’ve seen the system a little bit from the inside.
It was far cheaper for me than it would have been as a Brit in the USA, but the standard of care was lower. They didn’t have some technical and staffing resources late in the afternoon that would be a baseline in any of the hospitals I’ve been at in the USA. The English doctors were just kind of apologetic and bashful about it, talking to someone they knew was an American doctor who knew what kind of specific diagnostic algorithm was appropriate.
The NHS hospital did have really excellent amounts of ancillary staff. Someone brought coffee and tea to me like 3-4 times a day, it wasn’t hard to get my luggage delivered to my bed, etc. Not like that in the USA from what I’ve seen.
The NYC hospitals are somewhat financially strained as it is. Especially the public hospitals (Bellevue, Elmhurst, Metropolitan).
Also related would be care at the VA hospitals, which is slower/worse than care at NYC flagship hospitals. But as a society we don’t want to prioritize or pay for good care for veterans, so it is what it is.
I predict this will continue to basically just produce a more two-tiered system in the US. Most doctors who have a choice (large group practices) will take the wealthy patients with private insurance, and the big hospitals and whomever else who don’t have a choice will be forced to accept the NY single payers (basically the existing model, where the poor and 65+ are already covered under Medicaid and Medicare already). It will likely strain these systems even further, as reimbursements from Medicaid/Medicaid are insufficient to run large health systems which depend on higher rates from private insurers (payor mix). Good luck there.
In NYC even more physicians and group practices will try to go to alternate models such as cash-only. Try being on Medicaid or Medicare and finding an outpatient psychiatrist in NYC now as it is. This will extend to more PCPs, chronic disease specialists, etc.
Some patients will get better and more affordable care, but some will also get much worse care. It will be interesting to see what happens. I’m not necessarily opposed, but this is absolutely not going to be a clear and decisive win on all fronts as some commenters are suggesting. The US healthcare system, if you have private insurance, is the best in the world already in terms of level of service and access to rapid specialty and high-end care.
- docstryder 4y agoIf we go by data, the US healthcare system is the most expensive (not arguable) and is not even in the top 5 among developed countries in the most important measures. Also a doc, though that is not really relevant for this discussion. one of these references is from an US insurance company who you would think would be biased for US healthcare https://www.cignaglobal.com/blog/healthcare/top-10-countries-best-healthcare-system https://www.cignaglobal.com/blog/healthcare/top-10-countries... https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/05/global-health-rankings/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/08/05/global-healt... https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/ https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/
- et2o 4y agoI said “if you have private insurance,” which I think is the key qualifier. One of the other commenters expanded upon it well below. I’m not making an argument for cost-effectiveness either. We can get private insurance to pay for elective surgeries, new medications, etc. that are either not covered in other countries or have extremely long wait periods. And the higher reimbursement I think is helpful for providing staffing and paying for equipment that they (in my admittedly n of 1 experience) simply didn’t have for me. I suppose it is a tradeoff.
- erosenbe0 4y agoThis is a good take. Single payer might work in the USA using HMO plans funded by taxes, income/asset linked tiers of coinsurance, tax increases, major efficiency corrections, reduced barriers to entry, and mix of deregulation and regulation to increase competition. Also, the US healthcare system is the excellent and one of the world's best if : A) you have good insurance or medicaid/medicare in the right place. B) you have transport to potentially drive some distance to deal with occasional wait times or to find in-network providers C) you can navigate the sometimes byzantine billing nightmares that can occur where your coverage is denied on medically necessary or contractually covered care; or your enrollment in a subsidized program is denied, late; or you are indigent, incapacitated or elderly need an advocate to assure you get enrolled in correct coverage.