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> There's no arguing about this subject with people who believe that people should not have the right to control their own data, There's no inalienable human r

> There's no arguing about this subject with people who believe that people should not have the right to control their own data, There's no inalienable human right to data about you unless you want to argue that it's somehow your property. (Or that it relates to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness). More likely data about you is just information on a public stage. If I see you walking around town and write it down, is that illegal? Am I steeling something from you? Is that illegal search or seizure? I'm creepy, yes, but I'm not infringing anyone's rights. So we're all just creeped out by Facebook. As yet no one is being harmed.

merijnv 15y ago
You seem to be, as are many others in this online debate, using the fallacious assumption that all of the world is the US. > There's no inalienable human right to data about you Eh...yes there is. Maybe not for you, but I, and others who were born in the EU have quite inalienable rights to data about us. EU laws quite explicitly state that, yes, I do have an inalienable right to data about me, unless I explicitly (and possibly temporarily) grant a company access to it. A company is legally obligated to provide me a list of all data they have on me, plus the ability to change this data, including me demanding all of it to be deleted. Is this relevant in dealing with US based companies? No. But of course the EULA of Facebook specifies that European users have an agreement with Facebook Ireland, meaning all these EU laws apply to this relation. > If I see you walking around town and write it down, is that illegal? No, but writing down and storing that you saw me walking is... Now, maybe you don't care about what right you have to your data. But I do, and I endorse any action forcing big companies like Facebook and Google to comply with the EU law, which firmly puts me back in control about my data.

merijnv 15y ago

You seem to be, as are many others in this online debate, using the fallacious assumption that all of the world is the US. > There's no inalienable human right to data about you Eh...yes there is. Maybe not for you, but I, and others who were born in the EU have quite inalienable rights to data about us. EU laws quite explicitly state that, yes, I do have an inalienable right to data about me, unless I explicitly (and possibly temporarily) grant a company access to it. A company is legally obligated to provide me a list of all data they have on me, plus the ability to change this data, including me demanding all of it to be deleted. Is this relevant in dealing with US based companies? No. But of course the EULA of Facebook specifies that European users have an agreement with Facebook Ireland, meaning all these EU laws apply to this relation. > If I see you walking around town and write it down, is that illegal? No, but writing down and storing that you saw me walking is... Now, maybe you don't care about what right you have to your data. But I do, and I endorse any action forcing big companies like Facebook and Google to comply with the EU law, which firmly puts me back in control about my data.