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That name is problematic as it's too close to an abelist slur. You should change it to something like Bashfig, Bashful, etc. to be more inclusive.

by YATA2 4y ago

dijit 4y ago
As an actual living bastard, I endorse the name. So. There.
- thematrixturtle 4y ago
  I think GP is referring to the politically incorrect "-tard" part of the name.
  - maleldil 4y ago
    Bashtard is one letter away from bastard. You're stretching if you're reading it as retard.
    - nicoburns 4y ago
      I initially read it as a play on "bastard". But I'm not so sure it's a stretch. I know more than one person who likes to add the -tard suffix to all sorts of words, used in an offensive way, and it's quite hard to pronounce in a way that doesn't sound like that.
    - dahart 4y ago
      It’s 0 letters away from bash ‘tard, and not really a stretch to speculate that the name might be intentionally a pun that has both meanings.
      - dijit 4y ago
        it's 4 letters away from 'tard' since it requires the removal of letters. That's like saying "Scunthorpe" is 0 letters away from 'cunt'.
    - kelnos 4y ago
      Based on the blurb in the article, I think (though it's not fully clear) that the author intends "bash retard".
- RockRobotRock 4y ago
  I'm all for funny names, but giving your project a needlessly inflammatory name, to me signals that the author doesn't have an interest in working with the greater open-source community to develop it further or adopt it.
  - austinjp 4y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(slang) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(slang)
    - fknorangesite 4y ago
      "Git" is an insult, but it's not a slur.
      - dijit 4y ago
        Etymology is weird. Git is derived from "Get" (as in "beget") which is another term for a bastard. Watered down through the decades and much less sting, but the meaning is the same.
        fknorangesite 4y ago
        Don't be obtuse. As widely discussed in this thread, we aren't talking about "bastard."
        dijit 4y ago
        some people want to talk about the latter section of the word "tard" being shorthand for "retard" presumably. So I'll take you up on that, even though I fully disagree that this is the pun the author was making. I'll start by saying that "to retard" has actual meaning, outside of derogatory statements, slurs or so on. In fact, that meaning predates by many hundreds of years: the description of people in such a way. Since you could argue that this project is trying to speed up development, it could also argue that this is a commentary on "being retarded from your original objective" of running commands. So, my first argument is that "to retard" can have meaning outside of being offensive, in fact, that was its primary use. Now: Retard is a slur, absolutely. But, is it worse than Idiot? Moron? At some point in time those were clinical definitions to mean the same thing as retard, they became used as slurs and fell out of favour. Now, ironically, they are less inflammatory than the new derogatory word. So, my second argument is that being offended by certain language is arbitrary. --- Why am I arguing? Because you assume mal-intent where it's possible there is none. I genuinely assumed "bashtard" = "bastard", and that's "as offensive" to me as "git" (as a living and breathing british bastard), I didn't jump to the conclusion that it was attempting to denigrate low IQ people. This type of language policing needs to be self-critical, because if you're not willing to be critical on what you're putting out into the world and onto other people: I will be, and you'll hate me for it.
boardwaalk 4y ago
Oh, come on. It’s a lot, lot closer to bastard than retard or tard. At some point people have to own their own misperceptions.
- dsizzle 4y ago
  FWIW my first thought was the same as GP, and then only later did I consider that maybe it's punning on bastard, but I still wasn't sure. Probably better to pick another name and not have to keep explaining it.
  - dhzhzjsbevs 4y ago
    Why does it need explaining. Even if it was a play on retard I think it's really none of your business what someone calls their thing. The kneejerk response here to be "you have change its name" is so damn entitled.
    - AlecSchueler 4y ago
      It needs to be explained that it's not using ableist language, meaning that every time it's shared a discussion like this one will take place, regardless of what you think about it.
      - dhzhzjsbevs 4y ago
        > It needs to be explained that it's not using ableist language Why? This doesn't logically follow to the author renaming their thing unless you think speech policing on the internet is some kind of valid passtime or has any weight on anything in the real world. > meaning that every time it's shared a discussion like this one will take place So it's a good PR move because the PC police can't figure out that just maybe every corner doesn't have a nazi around it and maybe it's just a play on bastard?
        dsizzle 4y ago
        The author can do what they want, but if they care what associations people have about the name and they didn't consider this, they now have new information.

That name is problematic as it's too close to an abelist slur. You should change it to something like Bashfig, Bashful, etc. to be more inclusive.

by YATA2 4y ago

That name is problematic as it's too close to an abelist slur. You should change it to something like Bashfig, Bashful, etc. to be more inclusive.

dijit 4y ago

As an actual living bastard, I endorse the name. So. There.

thematrixturtle 4y ago
I think GP is referring to the politically incorrect "-tard" part of the name.
- maleldil 4y ago
  Bashtard is one letter away from bastard. You're stretching if you're reading it as retard.
  - nicoburns 4y ago
    I initially read it as a play on "bastard". But I'm not so sure it's a stretch. I know more than one person who likes to add the -tard suffix to all sorts of words, used in an offensive way, and it's quite hard to pronounce in a way that doesn't sound like that.
  - dahart 4y ago
    It’s 0 letters away from bash ‘tard, and not really a stretch to speculate that the name might be intentionally a pun that has both meanings.
    - dijit 4y ago
      it's 4 letters away from 'tard' since it requires the removal of letters. That's like saying "Scunthorpe" is 0 letters away from 'cunt'.
  - kelnos 4y ago
    Based on the blurb in the article, I think (though it's not fully clear) that the author intends "bash retard".
RockRobotRock 4y ago
I'm all for funny names, but giving your project a needlessly inflammatory name, to me signals that the author doesn't have an interest in working with the greater open-source community to develop it further or adopt it.
- austinjp 4y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(slang) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git_(slang)
  - fknorangesite 4y ago
    "Git" is an insult, but it's not a slur.
    - dijit 4y ago
      Etymology is weird. Git is derived from "Get" (as in "beget") which is another term for a bastard. Watered down through the decades and much less sting, but the meaning is the same.
      - fknorangesite 4y ago
        Don't be obtuse. As widely discussed in this thread, we aren't talking about "bastard."
        dijit 4y ago
        some people want to talk about the latter section of the word "tard" being shorthand for "retard" presumably. So I'll take you up on that, even though I fully disagree that this is the pun the author was making. I'll start by saying that "to retard" has actual meaning, outside of derogatory statements, slurs or so on. In fact, that meaning predates by many hundreds of years: the description of people in such a way. Since you could argue that this project is trying to speed up development, it could also argue that this is a commentary on "being retarded from your original objective" of running commands. So, my first argument is that "to retard" can have meaning outside of being offensive, in fact, that was its primary use. Now: Retard is a slur, absolutely. But, is it worse than Idiot? Moron? At some point in time those were clinical definitions to mean the same thing as retard, they became used as slurs and fell out of favour. Now, ironically, they are less inflammatory than the new derogatory word. So, my second argument is that being offended by certain language is arbitrary. --- Why am I arguing? Because you assume mal-intent where it's possible there is none. I genuinely assumed "bashtard" = "bastard", and that's "as offensive" to me as "git" (as a living and breathing british bastard), I didn't jump to the conclusion that it was attempting to denigrate low IQ people. This type of language policing needs to be self-critical, because if you're not willing to be critical on what you're putting out into the world and onto other people: I will be, and you'll hate me for it.

boardwaalk 4y ago

Oh, come on. It’s a lot, lot closer to bastard than retard or tard. At some point people have to own their own misperceptions.

dsizzle 4y ago
FWIW my first thought was the same as GP, and then only later did I consider that maybe it's punning on bastard, but I still wasn't sure. Probably better to pick another name and not have to keep explaining it.
- dhzhzjsbevs 4y ago
  Why does it need explaining. Even if it was a play on retard I think it's really none of your business what someone calls their thing. The kneejerk response here to be "you have change its name" is so damn entitled.
  - AlecSchueler 4y ago
    It needs to be explained that it's not using ableist language, meaning that every time it's shared a discussion like this one will take place, regardless of what you think about it.
    - dhzhzjsbevs 4y ago
      > It needs to be explained that it's not using ableist language Why? This doesn't logically follow to the author renaming their thing unless you think speech policing on the internet is some kind of valid passtime or has any weight on anything in the real world. > meaning that every time it's shared a discussion like this one will take place So it's a good PR move because the PC police can't figure out that just maybe every corner doesn't have a nazi around it and maybe it's just a play on bastard?
      - dsizzle 4y ago
        The author can do what they want, but if they care what associations people have about the name and they didn't consider this, they now have new information.