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Fly is putting together a pretty great team and interesting tech stack. It's the service I see as a true disruptor to Heroku because it's doing something novel

by wasd 4y ago

Fly is putting together a pretty great team and interesting tech stack. It's the service I see as a true disruptor to Heroku because it's doing something novel (not just cheaper). I'm still a little murky on the tradeoffs with Fly (and litestream). @ben / @fly, you should write a tutorial on hosting a todo app using rails with litestream and any expected hurdles at different levels of scale (maybe comparing to Heroku).

purplerabbit 4y ago
Render is more of the successor IMO. Fly is a bit of a wildcard — they are bleeding edge, certainly, but they seem to shy away from focusing on implementation of some of the “boring” but extremely useful features present in most managed services (e.g., scaling volumes for Postgres)
- michaeldwan 4y ago
  We're not shying away from "boring" stuff at all. We just have a small team with bigger priorities that's spread too thin. There's a million things like resizable volumes we need to ship and we're aggressively hiring to get them done.
  - steve_adams_86 4y ago
    Are the job listings on your site the source of truth, or are there other listings out there? I’ve been keeping my eye out for a senior full stack role but no luck yet.
- tptacek 4y ago
  There's no one "successor to Heroku". The successor to Heroku is a collection of different companies that work well together. What's important is the Heroku idea of what an application is, as a developer-first prospect rather than an ops-first prospect like Kubernetes running on a cloud platform.
the_biot 4y ago
If only they could keep their website reachable, that would be the icing on the cake. Like every time I see them linked on HN, I click and cannot connect to their website. Last time somebody from fly said they'd look into it, but alas. It was related to IPv6 on their end, was as far as I could tell.
- mrkurt 4y ago
  We have been chasing this down for weeks and can't find the actual bug/workaround here. It's definitely IPv6 related, we think having something to do with weird MTUs. Are you using an IPv6 tunnel or connecting via a vpn by chance?
  - the_biot 4y ago
    Nope.
  - mwcampbell 4y ago
    According to Fly's latest logbook post [1], they now have a workaround for this. [1]: https://fly.io/blog/logbook-2022-05-13/ https://fly.io/blog/logbook-2022-05-13/
  - scottlamb 4y ago
    Weird MTUs: DSL with PPPoE encapsulation, maybe? iirc they tend to use 1492 or 1452 rather than the usual 1500.
    - synicalx 4y ago
      Wow that's a trip down memory lane! It would be 1492 to allow for another 8 bytes of PPPoE overhead, there are some scenarios where 1508 byte frames might be floating around but I don't really know if anyone adopted that standard.
    - the_biot 4y ago
      That is exactly what I have.
  - 4y ago
quickthrower2 4y ago
How does Vercel fit in? I am having a lot of pleasure using their free tier and would be happy to pay if needed. My only concern is the pricing model being 0/20/Call us. I think clear usage-based pricing plans going 0-infinity should be the norm.

by wasd 4y ago

purplerabbit 4y ago

Render is more of the successor IMO. Fly is a bit of a wildcard — they are bleeding edge, certainly, but they seem to shy away from focusing on implementation of some of the “boring” but extremely useful features present in most managed services (e.g., scaling volumes for Postgres)

michaeldwan 4y ago
We're not shying away from "boring" stuff at all. We just have a small team with bigger priorities that's spread too thin. There's a million things like resizable volumes we need to ship and we're aggressively hiring to get them done.
- steve_adams_86 4y ago
  Are the job listings on your site the source of truth, or are there other listings out there? I’ve been keeping my eye out for a senior full stack role but no luck yet.
tptacek 4y ago
There's no one "successor to Heroku". The successor to Heroku is a collection of different companies that work well together. What's important is the Heroku idea of what an application is, as a developer-first prospect rather than an ops-first prospect like Kubernetes running on a cloud platform.

the_biot 4y ago

If only they could keep their website reachable, that would be the icing on the cake. Like every time I see them linked on HN, I click and cannot connect to their website. Last time somebody from fly said they'd look into it, but alas. It was related to IPv6 on their end, was as far as I could tell.

mrkurt 4y ago
We have been chasing this down for weeks and can't find the actual bug/workaround here. It's definitely IPv6 related, we think having something to do with weird MTUs. Are you using an IPv6 tunnel or connecting via a vpn by chance?
- the_biot 4y ago
  Nope.
- mwcampbell 4y ago
  According to Fly's latest logbook post [1], they now have a workaround for this. [1]: https://fly.io/blog/logbook-2022-05-13/ https://fly.io/blog/logbook-2022-05-13/
- scottlamb 4y ago
  Weird MTUs: DSL with PPPoE encapsulation, maybe? iirc they tend to use 1492 or 1452 rather than the usual 1500.
  - synicalx 4y ago
    Wow that's a trip down memory lane! It would be 1492 to allow for another 8 bytes of PPPoE overhead, there are some scenarios where 1508 byte frames might be floating around but I don't really know if anyone adopted that standard.
  - the_biot 4y ago
    That is exactly what I have.
- 4y ago

quickthrower2 4y ago

How does Vercel fit in? I am having a lot of pleasure using their free tier and would be happy to pay if needed. My only concern is the pricing model being 0/20/Call us. I think clear usage-based pricing plans going 0-infinity should be the norm.