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88 pages from 2021 involving Wilfred Laurier social sciences? You know what's more interesting, in the months since this study it has become much more clear wh

88 pages from 2021 involving Wilfred Laurier social sciences? You know what's more interesting, in the months since this study it has become much more clear what's really going down. NYTimes realized their echo chamber and practically ordered their journalists to exit their echo chambers. Which upon doing so they somewhat returned to better journalistic standards, NYTimes suddenly showed some excellent legitimacy. CNN is basically in complete collapse because they were too late. Can't see how they recover without some absolute hail mary. Rachel Maddow had a bit of a sabbatical and then got rebranded and is on air far less. MSNBC ratings not looking so hot lately. Meanwhile Fox is in dominant #1 position. There's objective measurements that the democrats moved far left creating the polarization. You have star trek discovery a ultra top secret missions best of the best crew... but every character is LGBT. Wtf are they trying to say? Even Trek fell into this same trap as those above. Has anyone checked out Star Trek Strange New Worlds episode 1 where they literally say second US civil war. The story was intentionally weak as hell to ensure everyone who watches it sees they are talking about the USA. The importance of getting those 2 parties talking together again. That working together for a better future is really the only way. Even Trek suddenly realized their own mistake. It makes for such an amazing first episode.

breadbreadbread 4y ago
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tablespoon 4y ago
> NYTimes realized their echo chamber and practically ordered their journalists to exit their echo chambers. Which upon doing so they somewhat returned to better journalistic standards, NYTimes suddenly showed some excellent legitimacy. Details? I know they've gotten a few people who are outside the progressive orthodoxy and tend to poke holes in it to write opinion columns in the last few months.
ssklash 4y ago
> democrats moved far left I have to wonder if you know what far left means outside of the US. Because even the furthest left of the Democratic party is barely left-leaning in Europe and most other democracies.
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lapcat 5y ago
Abstract: "Americans’ hostility toward political opponents has intensified to a degree not fully explained by actual ideological polarization. We propose that political animosity may be based particularly on partisans’ overestimation of the prevalence of extreme, egregious views held by only a minority of opponents but imagined to be widespread." You: "There's objective measurements that the democrats moved far left creating the polarization." Hmm. Could it be that you're... overestimating?
- insickness 4y ago
  In recent surveys, Democrats are found to be far more intolerant of Republicans than vice-versa. Young Dems more likely to despise the other party https://www.axios.com/2021/12/08/poll-political-polarization-students https://www.axios.com/2021/12/08/poll-political-polarization...
  - breadbreadbread 4y ago
    thats because Democrats are largely impotent whereas republicans have let fringe hateful ideas become their platform. If one person in the room smells like shit, can you blame other people for taking a step away?
    - robonerd 4y ago
      > republicans have let fringe hateful ideas become their platform. In 2001, 23% of Republicans/Republican-leaning Americans supported same-sex marraige. By 2019, it was 44%. Among white evangelical protestants specifically, it was 13% and rose to 29%. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/changing-att...
      - breadbreadbread 4y ago
        aw thats cute. less than 50% of republicans think gay people can get married
klyrs 5y ago
> 88 pages from 2021 involving Wilfred Laurier social sciences? You know what's more interesting... So, I take it that you didn't read the article and dismissed it based on its length and source? > There's objective measurements that the democrats moved far left creating the polarization. Source please? > You have star trek discovery a ultra top secret missions best of the best crew... but every character is LGBT. Not even close to every character. There are quite a few romantic entanglements through the story: Burnham/Tyler, Voq/L'Rell, Burnham/Booker, Georgiou/Lorca, Lorca/Cornwell, Pike/Vina, Detmer/(unnamed), Airiam/Stephen, Sarek/Amanda, Burnham's parents, and, yes, one gay couple, Stamets/Culber. There are two trans characters, one bisexual character, and I count three gay characters. The cast list on Wikipedia lists 43 characters in total. I think you might be misperceiving the opponent fringe here?
- incomingpain 5y ago
  >I think you might be misperceiving the opponent fringe here? Sorry, I wasn't clear, not 'all'. Clearly disproven by just 1 character if you're going evaluate all characters even if they were only on screen for 1 second. > There are two trans characters, one bisexual character, and I count three gay characters. The cast list on Wikipedia lists 43 characters in total. 12 main characters and 6 lgbt? Mind you, I LOVE the idea of trill being trans/non-binary. This makes a ton of sense. What discovery failed at is exactly what is tearing the USA apart. I love they realized why it didnt work and are doing better.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    Okay, that's a pretty big goalpost shift. In nearly 60 years of Star Trek, we've now got 4 seasons where some main characters aren't strictly cisgender and straight (but the majority of the couplings are still between straight, cisgender characters). In what regard did Discovery "fail"? As far as I understand, it's been pretty highly acclaimed.
ethanbond 5y ago
Very curious what objective measures you’re referring to. The downfall of leftish media itself kind of suggests the opposite: mainstream left-leaners are rejecting their more extremist media wings. Meanwhile the right is galvanizing around their most extreme. All of this is a bit conjecturey too, so I ask again, what’s the objective measure you’re speaking of?
- incomingpain 5y ago
  >Very curious what objective measures you’re referring to. Take this one with pretty graphs. Political polarization in the usa has been ongoing for quite some time. Many groups have been recording it. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/06/12/7-things-to-know-about-polarization-in-america/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/06/12/7-things-to... >The downfall of leftish media itself kind of suggests the opposite: mainstream left-leaners are rejecting their more extremist media wings. Meanwhile the right is galvanizing around their most extreme. I find it telling you see fox news as 'most extreme'. To me, the polarization is objective. We need to evaluate to determine if perhaps that is the path. In 50 years from now we might be talking about how ridiculously conservative we all are back in those antiquated 2020s. What we would see is the far left doing really well. They did do pretty well while they pushed various disinformation campaigns. The evaluation though is obviously the opposite. The polarization has derived largely because of echo chambers and identity politics. Those who are failing discovered this reality and have publicly admitted to this failure. The USA is now sitting at the choice posed in strange new worlds. We dont need to keep fighting. We need to get back to talking to each other. This is the essence of why elon musk is buying twitter. End the censorship and get everyone talking again.
  - ethanbond 4y ago
    The linked source does not at all support the claim you're making. I do not say that Fox is the "most extreme," though it is certainly extreme. The growth of OAN, Breitbart, etc. is actually what I was referring to. Yeah yeah, Musk will save the day. Got it.

breadbreadbread 4y ago

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tablespoon 4y ago

> NYTimes realized their echo chamber and practically ordered their journalists to exit their echo chambers. Which upon doing so they somewhat returned to better journalistic standards, NYTimes suddenly showed some excellent legitimacy. Details? I know they've gotten a few people who are outside the progressive orthodoxy and tend to poke holes in it to write opinion columns in the last few months.

ssklash 4y ago

> democrats moved far left I have to wonder if you know what far left means outside of the US. Because even the furthest left of the Democratic party is barely left-leaning in Europe and most other democracies.

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lapcat 5y ago

Abstract: "Americans’ hostility toward political opponents has intensified to a degree not fully explained by actual ideological polarization. We propose that political animosity may be based particularly on partisans’ overestimation of the prevalence of extreme, egregious views held by only a minority of opponents but imagined to be widespread." You: "There's objective measurements that the democrats moved far left creating the polarization." Hmm. Could it be that you're... overestimating?

insickness 4y ago
In recent surveys, Democrats are found to be far more intolerant of Republicans than vice-versa. Young Dems more likely to despise the other party https://www.axios.com/2021/12/08/poll-political-polarization-students https://www.axios.com/2021/12/08/poll-political-polarization...
- breadbreadbread 4y ago
  thats because Democrats are largely impotent whereas republicans have let fringe hateful ideas become their platform. If one person in the room smells like shit, can you blame other people for taking a step away?
  - robonerd 4y ago
    > republicans have let fringe hateful ideas become their platform. In 2001, 23% of Republicans/Republican-leaning Americans supported same-sex marraige. By 2019, it was 44%. Among white evangelical protestants specifically, it was 13% and rose to 29%. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/ https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/fact-sheet/changing-att...
    - breadbreadbread 4y ago
      aw thats cute. less than 50% of republicans think gay people can get married

klyrs 5y ago

> 88 pages from 2021 involving Wilfred Laurier social sciences? You know what's more interesting... So, I take it that you didn't read the article and dismissed it based on its length and source? > There's objective measurements that the democrats moved far left creating the polarization. Source please? > You have star trek discovery a ultra top secret missions best of the best crew... but every character is LGBT. Not even close to every character. There are quite a few romantic entanglements through the story: Burnham/Tyler, Voq/L'Rell, Burnham/Booker, Georgiou/Lorca, Lorca/Cornwell, Pike/Vina, Detmer/(unnamed), Airiam/Stephen, Sarek/Amanda, Burnham's parents, and, yes, one gay couple, Stamets/Culber. There are two trans characters, one bisexual character, and I count three gay characters. The cast list on Wikipedia lists 43 characters in total. I think you might be misperceiving the opponent fringe here?

incomingpain 5y ago
>I think you might be misperceiving the opponent fringe here? Sorry, I wasn't clear, not 'all'. Clearly disproven by just 1 character if you're going evaluate all characters even if they were only on screen for 1 second. > There are two trans characters, one bisexual character, and I count three gay characters. The cast list on Wikipedia lists 43 characters in total. 12 main characters and 6 lgbt? Mind you, I LOVE the idea of trill being trans/non-binary. This makes a ton of sense. What discovery failed at is exactly what is tearing the USA apart. I love they realized why it didnt work and are doing better.
- klyrs 4y ago
  Okay, that's a pretty big goalpost shift. In nearly 60 years of Star Trek, we've now got 4 seasons where some main characters aren't strictly cisgender and straight (but the majority of the couplings are still between straight, cisgender characters). In what regard did Discovery "fail"? As far as I understand, it's been pretty highly acclaimed.

ethanbond 5y ago

Very curious what objective measures you’re referring to. The downfall of leftish media itself kind of suggests the opposite: mainstream left-leaners are rejecting their more extremist media wings. Meanwhile the right is galvanizing around their most extreme. All of this is a bit conjecturey too, so I ask again, what’s the objective measure you’re speaking of?

incomingpain 5y ago
>Very curious what objective measures you’re referring to. Take this one with pretty graphs. Political polarization in the usa has been ongoing for quite some time. Many groups have been recording it. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/06/12/7-things-to-know-about-polarization-in-america/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/06/12/7-things-to... >The downfall of leftish media itself kind of suggests the opposite: mainstream left-leaners are rejecting their more extremist media wings. Meanwhile the right is galvanizing around their most extreme. I find it telling you see fox news as 'most extreme'. To me, the polarization is objective. We need to evaluate to determine if perhaps that is the path. In 50 years from now we might be talking about how ridiculously conservative we all are back in those antiquated 2020s. What we would see is the far left doing really well. They did do pretty well while they pushed various disinformation campaigns. The evaluation though is obviously the opposite. The polarization has derived largely because of echo chambers and identity politics. Those who are failing discovered this reality and have publicly admitted to this failure. The USA is now sitting at the choice posed in strange new worlds. We dont need to keep fighting. We need to get back to talking to each other. This is the essence of why elon musk is buying twitter. End the censorship and get everyone talking again.
- ethanbond 4y ago
  The linked source does not at all support the claim you're making. I do not say that Fox is the "most extreme," though it is certainly extreme. The growth of OAN, Breitbart, etc. is actually what I was referring to. Yeah yeah, Musk will save the day. Got it.