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>> I have read recently that the southwest is experiencing the beginnings of a long drought that's been cycling for thousands of years. Is this true? And if so,

>> I have read recently that the southwest is experiencing the beginnings of a long drought that's been cycling for thousands of years. Is this true? And if so, perhaps the best measure is to adapt and move on, as civilizations untold have done so for a million years. Can you site a source? I'm not even skeptical, but if that's true it would be nice to stop blaming climate change.

cowmoo728 5y ago
Periodic variation can work in tandem with a changing mean. Think of a sine wave multiplied with a line of non-zero slope.
- selimthegrim 5y ago
  “resonance” or x sin x
slg 5y ago
>if that's true it would be nice to stop blaming climate change. Events can have multiple causes. Whether there are millennia long natural cycles happening doesn't disprove human caused climate change.
- WillPostForFood 5y ago
  He didn't say it disproved climate change, the question was whether incrfeased C02 was the cause of this particular issue.
  - slg 5y ago
    They said "it would be nice to stop blaming climate change". Climate change is still to blame even if it shares the blame with other causes.
- oceanplexian 5y ago
  While this is true, the parent has a point. Politicians and Media are quick to blame Climate Change for any crisis, since it's a great way to deflect blame on to individuals instead of government institutions that failed them. The Colorado River situation is a great example of a mismanaged, centrally-planned government program gone wrong. If water were being priced appropriately, market forces would correct the issue.
  - slg 5y ago
    Are you saying that people would be more likely to blame the government if the cause of the drought was entirely natural compared to if it was caused by human action?
agomez314 5y ago
from a quick google search: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-022-01290-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-022-01290-z

cowmoo728 5y ago

Periodic variation can work in tandem with a changing mean. Think of a sine wave multiplied with a line of non-zero slope.

selimthegrim 5y ago
“resonance” or x sin x

slg 5y ago

>if that's true it would be nice to stop blaming climate change. Events can have multiple causes. Whether there are millennia long natural cycles happening doesn't disprove human caused climate change.

WillPostForFood 5y ago
He didn't say it disproved climate change, the question was whether incrfeased C02 was the cause of this particular issue.
- slg 5y ago
  They said "it would be nice to stop blaming climate change". Climate change is still to blame even if it shares the blame with other causes.
oceanplexian 5y ago
While this is true, the parent has a point. Politicians and Media are quick to blame Climate Change for any crisis, since it's a great way to deflect blame on to individuals instead of government institutions that failed them. The Colorado River situation is a great example of a mismanaged, centrally-planned government program gone wrong. If water were being priced appropriately, market forces would correct the issue.
- slg 5y ago
  Are you saying that people would be more likely to blame the government if the cause of the drought was entirely natural compared to if it was caused by human action?

agomez314 5y ago

from a quick google search: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-022-01290-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-022-01290-z