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YT Premium only makes the problem worse by still allowing native ads and requiring you to log in using an account that is tied to your real world identity (for

YT Premium only makes the problem worse by still allowing native ads and requiring you to log in using an account that is tied to your real world identity (for payment processing). You just end up giving more data points to Google to track and don't get rid of all ads.

scarface74 4y ago
So you don’t want to see ads and you don’t want to pay not to see ads? What business model should Google use for YouTube? But you can always use a prepaid debit card.
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  > So you don’t want to see ads and you don’t want to pay not to see ads? But even if you do pay, you still see (often longer!) ads because people put sponsor segments in their videos. As far as I can tell, there's no way to skip those, paying or otherwise, except resorting to something like sponsorblock, right?
  - astura 4y ago
    shrug I just fast-forward them.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Yes, there is - don’t spend time watching their content. I hate ads with a passion [1]. I pay for the ad free tier of every streaming service I subscribe to. I find YouTube a wasteland of shitty content. [1] For some reason tech podcasts ads don’t bother me and many of the ones I listen to have chapter markers for their ads.
  - gaius_baltar 4y ago
    I'm ok with sponsored segments as the only ads because they are the least offensive ads ATM. The way to prevent these ads from being blocked is to include them in the video stream itself, possibly by the original author. This has the good side effects of making them easy to skip and, more importantly, unable track users by themselves. The publishing platform can say things like "xx% of users matching rule yyyy fully watched it", but only if watching is non anonymous.
  - woojoo666 4y ago
    Youtube ads are to support youtube. Sponsored segments are to support the creator. They are completely separate. If you don't want youtube ads, Youtube provides an alternate payment method. If you don't want sponsored segments, that's up to the creator to provide a way out
    - zimpenfish 4y ago
      > Youtube ads are to support youtube. They also support the creators, surely, since there's a whole bunch of people I've watched who have no sponsored segments but are making a decent amount of money from the ads.
  - billpg 4y ago
    For the app version of YouTube, double-tapping the right-hand side of the video area will jump ahead ten seconds. Not exactly an automated jump but this works well for things like VPN ads in videos.
- thiht 4y ago
  There’s no business model YouTube could adopt that I would accept because I don’t trust Google. Even as a paying customer, they still extract your data, and probably sell it. I use adblockers and alternative YouTube clients wherever I can and I don’t care, because I have no choice.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    You don’t have any choice but to use YouTube?
    - EEBio 4y ago
      Sure, I have a choice. I can buy YT Premium. Or I can run adblockers. What portion of video I decide to skip watching on my device and which HTTP calls I make and which I don't is something I can decide and it has nothing to do with ethics or morality IMHO. Watching a free YouTube video is something like getting a magazine copy for free. There is no moral obligation to look at the ads there, I can just skip those pages and pick and choose articles I want to read, even though I got the copy for free. If the creators are giving away too many copies for free, they can start selling them instead. Or giving them and asking for voluntary donation. Or they can find another business. It's not my responsibility to make sure the creator is profitable running their business. That's entirely on them.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Then why complain? I don’t complain about how crappy public access cable tv is (ie YouTube). I just don’t watch crappy public access TV.
        EEBio 4y ago
        I don't complain that I have to use adblock. I only complain if someone tries to make it an ethical/moral issue, that I use one. I also understand that was not your point in your comment, I am not trying to strawman you :)

scarface74 4y ago

So you don’t want to see ads and you don’t want to pay not to see ads? What business model should Google use for YouTube? But you can always use a prepaid debit card.

zimpenfish 4y ago
> So you don’t want to see ads and you don’t want to pay not to see ads? But even if you do pay, you still see (often longer!) ads because people put sponsor segments in their videos. As far as I can tell, there's no way to skip those, paying or otherwise, except resorting to something like sponsorblock, right?
- astura 4y ago
  shrug I just fast-forward them.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Yes, there is - don’t spend time watching their content. I hate ads with a passion [1]. I pay for the ad free tier of every streaming service I subscribe to. I find YouTube a wasteland of shitty content. [1] For some reason tech podcasts ads don’t bother me and many of the ones I listen to have chapter markers for their ads.
- gaius_baltar 4y ago
  I'm ok with sponsored segments as the only ads because they are the least offensive ads ATM. The way to prevent these ads from being blocked is to include them in the video stream itself, possibly by the original author. This has the good side effects of making them easy to skip and, more importantly, unable track users by themselves. The publishing platform can say things like "xx% of users matching rule yyyy fully watched it", but only if watching is non anonymous.
- woojoo666 4y ago
  Youtube ads are to support youtube. Sponsored segments are to support the creator. They are completely separate. If you don't want youtube ads, Youtube provides an alternate payment method. If you don't want sponsored segments, that's up to the creator to provide a way out
  - zimpenfish 4y ago
    > Youtube ads are to support youtube. They also support the creators, surely, since there's a whole bunch of people I've watched who have no sponsored segments but are making a decent amount of money from the ads.
- billpg 4y ago
  For the app version of YouTube, double-tapping the right-hand side of the video area will jump ahead ten seconds. Not exactly an automated jump but this works well for things like VPN ads in videos.
thiht 4y ago
There’s no business model YouTube could adopt that I would accept because I don’t trust Google. Even as a paying customer, they still extract your data, and probably sell it. I use adblockers and alternative YouTube clients wherever I can and I don’t care, because I have no choice.
- scarface74 4y ago
  You don’t have any choice but to use YouTube?
  - EEBio 4y ago
    Sure, I have a choice. I can buy YT Premium. Or I can run adblockers. What portion of video I decide to skip watching on my device and which HTTP calls I make and which I don't is something I can decide and it has nothing to do with ethics or morality IMHO. Watching a free YouTube video is something like getting a magazine copy for free. There is no moral obligation to look at the ads there, I can just skip those pages and pick and choose articles I want to read, even though I got the copy for free. If the creators are giving away too many copies for free, they can start selling them instead. Or giving them and asking for voluntary donation. Or they can find another business. It's not my responsibility to make sure the creator is profitable running their business. That's entirely on them.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Then why complain? I don’t complain about how crappy public access cable tv is (ie YouTube). I just don’t watch crappy public access TV.
      - EEBio 4y ago
        I don't complain that I have to use adblock. I only complain if someone tries to make it an ethical/moral issue, that I use one. I also understand that was not your point in your comment, I am not trying to strawman you :)