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Ad-free youtube doesn't get rid of "paid content" in videos. "paid content" is just ads. So if you pay for youtube premium you get rid of some ads, not all the

Ad-free youtube doesn't get rid of "paid content" in videos. "paid content" is just ads. So if you pay for youtube premium you get rid of some ads, not all the ads.

delecti 4y ago
That's clearly a different kind of thing though. Sponsored content in videos is just stuff you don't like, but it's still the video you clicked on. Youtube injected ads on top of the video is not the content you clicked on. Youtube premium unambiguously solves the problem that the top-level comment was complaining about (mid-roll ads that can be a half-hour or longer), you're just moving the goal posts.
- sophacles 4y ago
  I'm not moving anything. If you want to call something ad-free, IMHO it shouldn't have ads.
  - nybble41 4y ago
    Google's product here is the hosting and distribution service. If you pay for YT Premium then Google doesn't place any ads in their product. The content of the videos—including any "native" ads inserted by the video creators—isn't up to them.
    - sophacles 4y ago
      If they can't deliver ad-free, they should not try to sell me ad-free. They could sell me something that isn't a lie instead.
      - nybble41 4y ago
        Google is delivering their service ad-free. It's not their fault you choose to use their ad-free hosting and distribution service to view third-party videos which contain ads.
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        sophacles 4y ago
        Google's advertising says "Watch youtube ad-free". It doesn't say "watch youtube ad-free unless the video you're watching embeds ad content as well", heck it doesn't even say "Watch youtube ad-free*". So whatever they are actually providing, it's not what they are selling. As I said in several comments now: My opinion is that if you try to sell me ad-free, sell me an actually ad-free product. edit: it also occurs to me that the recommender and search engine will not mark nor honor my "ad-free" status, nor will the auto-play feature. So if I pay for ad-free and google says "hey watch this video with lots of paid promotion next", wouldn't that just be google pushing more ads on me even if I supposedly pay for "no ads"?
        nybble41 4y ago
        The ads you're complaining about are not Google's ads. When you pay for YT Premium you don't see ads from Google on YouTube. End of story. Other people can still show you ads, even in videos they upload to YouTube. That's between you and the creators of those videos. You are free to watch them or not. But Google is delivering exactly what they promised. If you don't find that the service is worthwhile, just don't subscribe. There's no point complaining about it here.
- arrosenberg 4y ago
  No, no, no, this is letting YouTube off the hook. The whole reason content creators started doing in-video promotions is because YT kept squeezing them for ad revenue. The top comment is absolutely correct - adfree should be adfree - that is YouTube’s problem to solve, not the customer’s.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Would you rather Google police content and not allow native ads that the content producer includes?
    - arrosenberg 4y ago
      I'd be fine with it personally, but I think that'd be a really silly way to go about it. They could provide advertiser tools to the content providers that respect premium accounts. Not super hard, but here's the catch, and oooh baby is it a doozy - they have to pay fair rates for advertising. I know that's going to be hard to stomach, but if they do pay fairly, I suspect most content producers would be happier with that arrangement.
    - q-big 4y ago
      > Would you rather Google police content and not allow native ads that the content producer includes? Why not downrank such videos a little bit - just like Google attempts to downrank pages that look like made by content farms? Since a lot of YouTube creators are very concerned about their ranking, this should decrease the problem of sponsored segments/videos a lot.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        So now we want BigTech “to control what people see?” Why not just not watch content from content creators that make videos that have content that you don’t like?
  - jsnell 4y ago
    Do you have a source for this claim? As far as I know, the cut of the ad revenue going to the creators has not changed since the introduction. It was 55% a decade ago, it's 55% today.

Ad-free youtube doesn't get rid of "paid content" in videos. "paid content" is just ads. So if you pay for youtube premium you get rid of some ads, not all the ads.

delecti 4y ago

That's clearly a different kind of thing though. Sponsored content in videos is just stuff you don't like, but it's still the video you clicked on. Youtube injected ads on top of the video is not the content you clicked on. Youtube premium unambiguously solves the problem that the top-level comment was complaining about (mid-roll ads that can be a half-hour or longer), you're just moving the goal posts.

sophacles 4y ago
I'm not moving anything. If you want to call something ad-free, IMHO it shouldn't have ads.
- nybble41 4y ago
  Google's product here is the hosting and distribution service. If you pay for YT Premium then Google doesn't place any ads in their product. The content of the videos—including any "native" ads inserted by the video creators—isn't up to them.
  - sophacles 4y ago
    If they can't deliver ad-free, they should not try to sell me ad-free. They could sell me something that isn't a lie instead.
    - nybble41 4y ago
      Google is delivering their service ad-free. It's not their fault you choose to use their ad-free hosting and distribution service to view third-party videos which contain ads.
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      - sophacles 4y ago
        Google's advertising says "Watch youtube ad-free". It doesn't say "watch youtube ad-free unless the video you're watching embeds ad content as well", heck it doesn't even say "Watch youtube ad-free*". So whatever they are actually providing, it's not what they are selling. As I said in several comments now: My opinion is that if you try to sell me ad-free, sell me an actually ad-free product. edit: it also occurs to me that the recommender and search engine will not mark nor honor my "ad-free" status, nor will the auto-play feature. So if I pay for ad-free and google says "hey watch this video with lots of paid promotion next", wouldn't that just be google pushing more ads on me even if I supposedly pay for "no ads"?
        nybble41 4y ago
        The ads you're complaining about are not Google's ads. When you pay for YT Premium you don't see ads from Google on YouTube. End of story. Other people can still show you ads, even in videos they upload to YouTube. That's between you and the creators of those videos. You are free to watch them or not. But Google is delivering exactly what they promised. If you don't find that the service is worthwhile, just don't subscribe. There's no point complaining about it here.
arrosenberg 4y ago
No, no, no, this is letting YouTube off the hook. The whole reason content creators started doing in-video promotions is because YT kept squeezing them for ad revenue. The top comment is absolutely correct - adfree should be adfree - that is YouTube’s problem to solve, not the customer’s.
- scarface74 4y ago
  Would you rather Google police content and not allow native ads that the content producer includes?
  - arrosenberg 4y ago
    I'd be fine with it personally, but I think that'd be a really silly way to go about it. They could provide advertiser tools to the content providers that respect premium accounts. Not super hard, but here's the catch, and oooh baby is it a doozy - they have to pay fair rates for advertising. I know that's going to be hard to stomach, but if they do pay fairly, I suspect most content producers would be happier with that arrangement.
  - q-big 4y ago
    > Would you rather Google police content and not allow native ads that the content producer includes? Why not downrank such videos a little bit - just like Google attempts to downrank pages that look like made by content farms? Since a lot of YouTube creators are very concerned about their ranking, this should decrease the problem of sponsored segments/videos a lot.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      So now we want BigTech “to control what people see?” Why not just not watch content from content creators that make videos that have content that you don’t like?
- jsnell 4y ago
  Do you have a source for this claim? As far as I know, the cut of the ad revenue going to the creators has not changed since the introduction. It was 55% a decade ago, it's 55% today.