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> managers and co-workers starting every message with “hello, how are you doing?” and waiting for a response https://www.nohello.com https://www.nohello.com

humanwhosits 4y ago
also https://nohello.net/en/ https://nohello.net/en/
- TheLocehiliosan 4y ago
  Oh, that's a nicely formatted alternative. I often like to change my messenger status to a URL like this. It's slowly making an impact.
  - shagie 4y ago
    In the "which one of them do you like" domain... https://no-hello.com https://no-hello.com Though there's also https://nohello.club https://nohello.club
pnw 4y ago
I’ve worked in mostly remote companies with heavy use of emails and chat on and off for many years, and this has never been a concern for me. I can’t even remember thinking about it once. It seems quite petty. Frankly the much bigger problem is global time zones and limited overlap restricting the time available for synchronous discussions.
- jedberg 4y ago
  Here's why it's annoying: You're now taking my attention while I have to wait for you to actually type your question. If you just sent me your question, I can read it, answer it, and get back to what I was doing. But by saying hi first, now I can't go back to what I was doing because I know your question is coming in a minute or so, which isn't enough time to do anything else, but you've already broken my concentration because I had to check your initial message.
  - bonoboTP 4y ago
    There are many layers to this if you think about it. They may try to save effort by only typing the question in case you are there. But also, it's a way to avoid you not answering. I mean, they may (perhaps subconsciously) fear that you will read the question and decide to procrastinate on answering it because it looks too hard somehow. Instead, if they get you on the hook in synchronous communication, it will be harder for you to "snooze" on the question. I mean you can explicitly tell them you'll take a look later but you can't pretend that you haven't read it yet. Or some may use it as an excuse to pause working. That plus a lot of other mind games. In a way it's a power game, whose time is more valued, who gets to demand attention right now etc., who has more flexibility and convenience... Also, sometimes when people are confused, they sort of emotionally panic and just need someone beside them, to hold their hand and comfort them virtually. Then if you don't respond, they somehow do manage to solve their problem on their own anyway. But it felt simpler to just interrupt your work and ask you instead of thinking or searching in the internal docs etc.
    - tdumitrescu 4y ago
      Heh, yeah I typically just don't respond to the initial "hi" slack. After a few minutes at most, they always follow up with the actual question.
- ollien 4y ago
  I think for the example given on the page, given it seems to be a quick question, it's easy for it to seem a bit petty (and I might agree). The hard part for me is by responding, I have no idea if I'm walking into a 2hr debugging session or a 30s question.
  - Datagenerator 4y ago
    'Maybe' and 'it depends', are good intermediate remarks while painting the picture about the real question at hand.
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mattw2121 4y ago
I agree 100% with the sentiment of nohello.com. I used to have it has my status message. I've also gone long periods where I just won't respond when someone hello or hi's me. I've since realized that I was just being difficult and now I just type hey back and it makes life a lot easier.
- bonoboTP 4y ago
  They are just lazy to type their question, in case you don't happen to be there right now. So if you don't respond quickly, then they save the work of having to formulate the question.
  - wildmanx 4y ago
    Typical scenario though is that then they move on ask somewhere else. So they have to type it out anyway. If you don't reply, they can copy-and-paste the question to somebody else.
    - bonoboTP 4y ago
      Or they put up with having to put in a little effort to figure it out themselves or look up the info in the internal documentation.
- wildmanx 4y ago
  The strategy I've adopted is to first be polite by writing "hey" back [0] and then helping them with whatever they were asking. But THEN I end the conversation with a link to nohello.com to politely ask them to just directly ask next time. That's not being difficult but has the potential to improve things over time. [0] If I'm in a bad mood I reflect the exact sentence back, meeting "hi" with "hi" and "Hey how are you?" with "Hey how are you?", but still, it's a reply..

humanwhosits 4y ago

also https://nohello.net/en/ https://nohello.net/en/

TheLocehiliosan 4y ago
Oh, that's a nicely formatted alternative. I often like to change my messenger status to a URL like this. It's slowly making an impact.
- shagie 4y ago
  In the "which one of them do you like" domain... https://no-hello.com https://no-hello.com Though there's also https://nohello.club https://nohello.club

pnw 4y ago

I’ve worked in mostly remote companies with heavy use of emails and chat on and off for many years, and this has never been a concern for me. I can’t even remember thinking about it once. It seems quite petty. Frankly the much bigger problem is global time zones and limited overlap restricting the time available for synchronous discussions.

jedberg 4y ago
Here's why it's annoying: You're now taking my attention while I have to wait for you to actually type your question. If you just sent me your question, I can read it, answer it, and get back to what I was doing. But by saying hi first, now I can't go back to what I was doing because I know your question is coming in a minute or so, which isn't enough time to do anything else, but you've already broken my concentration because I had to check your initial message.
- bonoboTP 4y ago
  There are many layers to this if you think about it. They may try to save effort by only typing the question in case you are there. But also, it's a way to avoid you not answering. I mean, they may (perhaps subconsciously) fear that you will read the question and decide to procrastinate on answering it because it looks too hard somehow. Instead, if they get you on the hook in synchronous communication, it will be harder for you to "snooze" on the question. I mean you can explicitly tell them you'll take a look later but you can't pretend that you haven't read it yet. Or some may use it as an excuse to pause working. That plus a lot of other mind games. In a way it's a power game, whose time is more valued, who gets to demand attention right now etc., who has more flexibility and convenience... Also, sometimes when people are confused, they sort of emotionally panic and just need someone beside them, to hold their hand and comfort them virtually. Then if you don't respond, they somehow do manage to solve their problem on their own anyway. But it felt simpler to just interrupt your work and ask you instead of thinking or searching in the internal docs etc.
  - tdumitrescu 4y ago
    Heh, yeah I typically just don't respond to the initial "hi" slack. After a few minutes at most, they always follow up with the actual question.
ollien 4y ago
I think for the example given on the page, given it seems to be a quick question, it's easy for it to seem a bit petty (and I might agree). The hard part for me is by responding, I have no idea if I'm walking into a 2hr debugging session or a 30s question.
- Datagenerator 4y ago
  'Maybe' and 'it depends', are good intermediate remarks while painting the picture about the real question at hand.
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mattw2121 4y ago

I agree 100% with the sentiment of nohello.com. I used to have it has my status message. I've also gone long periods where I just won't respond when someone hello or hi's me. I've since realized that I was just being difficult and now I just type hey back and it makes life a lot easier.

bonoboTP 4y ago
They are just lazy to type their question, in case you don't happen to be there right now. So if you don't respond quickly, then they save the work of having to formulate the question.
- wildmanx 4y ago
  Typical scenario though is that then they move on ask somewhere else. So they have to type it out anyway. If you don't reply, they can copy-and-paste the question to somebody else.
  - bonoboTP 4y ago
    Or they put up with having to put in a little effort to figure it out themselves or look up the info in the internal documentation.
wildmanx 4y ago
The strategy I've adopted is to first be polite by writing "hey" back [0] and then helping them with whatever they were asking. But THEN I end the conversation with a link to nohello.com to politely ask them to just directly ask next time. That's not being difficult but has the potential to improve things over time. [0] If I'm in a bad mood I reflect the exact sentence back, meeting "hi" with "hi" and "Hey how are you?" with "Hey how are you?", but still, it's a reply..