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All known human societies have government, even the most primitive tribes, so I'm not clear what your point is. I was just reading about the The Tripolye Cultur

All known human societies have government, even the most primitive tribes, so I'm not clear what your point is. I was just reading about the The Tripolye Culture giant-settlements in Ukraine, from 7,000 years ago, who seem to have had something like a democratic government: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1842174835/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1842174835/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b...

kelseyfrog 4y ago
The confusion you're experiencing is because I specifically mentioned "modern nation states" and you responded with "even the most primitive tribes." If we stick to the same topic, it might be more clear.
- lkrubner 4y ago
  You seem to be playing with words. Governments exist among all human societies, not just nation-states. About this: "There is no reason why it among all possible forms of organization" Whatever form of organization you want to invent for a society, that will be a form of government.
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    > Whatever form of organization you want to invent for a society, that will be a form of government. What is the name for this ideology? It feels like it's the political version of Mark Fisher's Capitalist Realism, but I've never seen it given a name before. I am of course interpreting this through a Bergerian/Luckmannian lens[1]. 1. Specifically by way of "reification is the apprehension of the products of human activity as if they were something other than human products - such as facts of nature, results of cosmic laws, or manifestations of divine will." p 106 TSCoR http://perflensburg.se/Berger%20social-construction-of-reality.pdf http://perflensburg.se/Berger%20social-construction-of-reali...
    - lkrubner 4y ago
      You continue to play with words. You are using words to obscure your meaning, rather than reveal your meaning.
      - kelseyfrog 4y ago
        Right, though I suspect this would nevertheless not happen if between the two of us we were familiar with the works I referenced.

kelseyfrog 4y ago

The confusion you're experiencing is because I specifically mentioned "modern nation states" and you responded with "even the most primitive tribes." If we stick to the same topic, it might be more clear.

lkrubner 4y ago
You seem to be playing with words. Governments exist among all human societies, not just nation-states. About this: "There is no reason why it among all possible forms of organization" Whatever form of organization you want to invent for a society, that will be a form of government.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  > Whatever form of organization you want to invent for a society, that will be a form of government. What is the name for this ideology? It feels like it's the political version of Mark Fisher's Capitalist Realism, but I've never seen it given a name before. I am of course interpreting this through a Bergerian/Luckmannian lens[1]. 1. Specifically by way of "reification is the apprehension of the products of human activity as if they were something other than human products - such as facts of nature, results of cosmic laws, or manifestations of divine will." p 106 TSCoR http://perflensburg.se/Berger%20social-construction-of-reality.pdf http://perflensburg.se/Berger%20social-construction-of-reali...
  - lkrubner 4y ago
    You continue to play with words. You are using words to obscure your meaning, rather than reveal your meaning.
    - kelseyfrog 4y ago
      Right, though I suspect this would nevertheless not happen if between the two of us we were familiar with the works I referenced.