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I have no insider knowledge, but a look thought their changelog[1] is not exactly inspiring, especially if you consider that Heroku doesn't support things like

I have no insider knowledge, but a look thought their changelog[1] is not exactly inspiring, especially if you consider that Heroku doesn't support things like HTTP2.[2] There are almost no real changes beyond updates to languages and the occasional (rare) minor change to the platform, which is not a sign of a healthy actively supported service. [1]: https://devcenter.heroku.com/changelog https://devcenter.heroku.com/changelog [2]: https://help.heroku.com/JAOCNZ25/does-heroku-have-plans-to-support-http-2 https://help.heroku.com/JAOCNZ25/does-heroku-have-plans-to-s...

masukomi 4y ago
At work, we spend a LOT of money with heroku every month. We really wanted to use Protobuffers (please let's not discuss that ;) ), which require HTTP 2 for the streaming stuff. So we talked with them and were like "heyy, we need this" and while they didn't explicitly say they weren't going to support it, the response basically boiled down to "yeah, i wouldn't be holding your breath" ;)
- ItMayWorkTryIt 4y ago
  You can use protobuff without gRPC if that helps for your use case. Twitch has open sourced their HTTP1 protobuff client/server library: https://github.com/twitchtv/twirp https://github.com/twitchtv/twirp
- decidertm 4y ago
  We added support for HTTP2, GRPC and streaming at Northflank recently. Could be a good choice for your team. Here is the changelog https://northflank.com/changelog/introducing-http-2-and-grpc-support https://northflank.com/changelog/introducing-http-2-and-grpc...
  - Beltalowda 4y ago
    - paisawalla 4y ago
      It's a relevant sales pitch, and I myself learned about an alternative to Heroku, which was a nice gain.
    - mirntyfirty 4y ago
      I agree with the anti-pitch premise but am surprised by the backlash as it seems pretty common in my experience.
    - saurik 4y ago
      It seems pretty contextual to me, FWIW: the goal is to be useful and this is useful given the very specific pain point.
    - unethical_ban 4y ago
      Belters don't want Inners pitching their services... But for real, replying "we can do that!" in reply to a comment about a product seems alright as long as it's lightly sprinkled and not constant.
      - cpersona 4y ago
        Had to look it up so here it is, from the TV show, The Expanse: "Belter is a term used to refer to persons born in the Asteroid Belt or the Moons of the outer planets. An inner usually refers to someone who originated from the Inner planets of the Sol system, but usually meaning from Earth, Luna, or Mars."
        unethical_ban 4y ago
        The account I responded to is "beltalowda" which is a term in the series.
    - TheTaytay 4y ago
      I’m actually reading these comments specifically for mentions of alternatives. I thought it was done in good taste.
    - 4y ago
  - mariushn 4y ago
    As a Heroku customer, I'd appreciate a migration guide from Heroku to Northflank in your docs. What are the equivalent services (nodejs dynos, worker, scheduler, postgres, papertrail) and what are the steps to move. Thanks
hajile 4y ago
Does Salesforce really have any motivation to update the cheaper Heroku instead of direct people toward their more expensive options?
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  But those "more expensive options" are completely different services, right? This is like "why should Lenovo market monitors when they're also selling their more expensive laptops?"
  - hajile 4y ago
    In my experience developing salesforce stuff in the past, forcing people into the wrong services while charging a fortune for the headache and lockin is their entire business model.
- jbm 4y ago
  There is nothing in common with SFDC and Heroku. Even when making a custom app with Salesforce Data, you are severely constricted wrt the amount of apex code and the data speed.
throwing-awayki 4y ago
curl -i https://api.heroku.com/ https://api.heroku.com/ | grep 'HTTP/2'
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  That's just the API, not the service for your apps.

masukomi 4y ago

At work, we spend a LOT of money with heroku every month. We really wanted to use Protobuffers (please let's not discuss that ;) ), which require HTTP 2 for the streaming stuff. So we talked with them and were like "heyy, we need this" and while they didn't explicitly say they weren't going to support it, the response basically boiled down to "yeah, i wouldn't be holding your breath" ;)

ItMayWorkTryIt 4y ago
You can use protobuff without gRPC if that helps for your use case. Twitch has open sourced their HTTP1 protobuff client/server library: https://github.com/twitchtv/twirp https://github.com/twitchtv/twirp
decidertm 4y ago
We added support for HTTP2, GRPC and streaming at Northflank recently. Could be a good choice for your team. Here is the changelog https://northflank.com/changelog/introducing-http-2-and-grpc-support https://northflank.com/changelog/introducing-http-2-and-grpc...
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  - paisawalla 4y ago
    It's a relevant sales pitch, and I myself learned about an alternative to Heroku, which was a nice gain.
  - mirntyfirty 4y ago
    I agree with the anti-pitch premise but am surprised by the backlash as it seems pretty common in my experience.
  - saurik 4y ago
    It seems pretty contextual to me, FWIW: the goal is to be useful and this is useful given the very specific pain point.
  - unethical_ban 4y ago
    Belters don't want Inners pitching their services... But for real, replying "we can do that!" in reply to a comment about a product seems alright as long as it's lightly sprinkled and not constant.
    - cpersona 4y ago
      Had to look it up so here it is, from the TV show, The Expanse: "Belter is a term used to refer to persons born in the Asteroid Belt or the Moons of the outer planets. An inner usually refers to someone who originated from the Inner planets of the Sol system, but usually meaning from Earth, Luna, or Mars."
      - unethical_ban 4y ago
        The account I responded to is "beltalowda" which is a term in the series.
  - TheTaytay 4y ago
    I’m actually reading these comments specifically for mentions of alternatives. I thought it was done in good taste.
  - 4y ago
- mariushn 4y ago
  As a Heroku customer, I'd appreciate a migration guide from Heroku to Northflank in your docs. What are the equivalent services (nodejs dynos, worker, scheduler, postgres, papertrail) and what are the steps to move. Thanks

hajile 4y ago

Does Salesforce really have any motivation to update the cheaper Heroku instead of direct people toward their more expensive options?

Beltalowda 4y ago
But those "more expensive options" are completely different services, right? This is like "why should Lenovo market monitors when they're also selling their more expensive laptops?"
- hajile 4y ago
  In my experience developing salesforce stuff in the past, forcing people into the wrong services while charging a fortune for the headache and lockin is their entire business model.
jbm 4y ago
There is nothing in common with SFDC and Heroku. Even when making a custom app with Salesforce Data, you are severely constricted wrt the amount of apex code and the data speed.

throwing-awayki 4y ago

curl -i https://api.heroku.com/ https://api.heroku.com/ | grep 'HTTP/2'

Beltalowda 4y ago
That's just the API, not the service for your apps.