Well, that's not what the author of the parent comment wrote or seemed to imply. As much as one example to the contrary might not automatically change a genera

Well, that's not what the author of the parent comment wrote or seemed to imply. As much as one example to the contrary might not automatically change a general sentiment or perception, one particular listener only having encountered what they perceive as narcissism or self-involved navel-gazing might just be down to sampling bias. The point I was trying to make is that there clearly are examples from that particular podcast where guests at least aren't entirely motivated by selfish or narcissistic pursuits.