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> Because that's where the progress was. They simply couldn't make progress on batteries at the time. That's a descent into circular arguments and post-facto
by nonrandomstring 4y ago
> Because that's where the progress was. They simply couldn't make
progress on batteries at the time.
That's a descent into circular arguments and post-facto analysis.
The early twentieth century was a golden age of chemistry. We had the
technology to do fractional distillation of petrochemicals and
synthesise complex organics. To suppose that we could not have punched
gigantic breakthroughs in ionic electro-chemistry is blinkered. Motor
technology equally so. Sintering, rare-earth alloys, elaborate
windings, and complex field analysis was well within the metallurgy
and other technologies you describe, without computers.
But there can be no meaningful argument around it if you only hark
back to "what was", instead of analysing the interplay between
economic motives and progress. We're arguing at cross purposes if
you're bringing up "facts" of history, and I'm talking about
socio-economic dynamics.
And, more importantly, why?
So we can preserve a comfort that a 100 year journey into fossil fuels
was not a colossal human mistake? Rationalising away the narrative
that plausible alternative technological pathways existed achieves
what exactly?
It's not like can change the past. So what is going on?
> There's a reason we didn't get economically viable and high enough performance
batteries for consumer electronics
We didn't get anything. We didn't want them.
I appreciate this philosophy of technology stuff can be
disorientating. It is scary stuff. Because if we admit that there are
alternatives, that this is not a Panglossian universe and that we've
made gigantic errors in the past, that opens up the terrifying
possibility that we're making grave errors right now (which I believe
we are). The myth of technology as a deterministically unfolding,
monotonic mechanism is very comforting in that world.
- AftHurrahWinch 4y agoGasoline has an energy density of about 34.6 MJ/liter... the lithium-ion battery pack in a Chevy Volt has an energy density of about 0.4 MJ/liter. One of those technologies is easier to develop than the other. Science doesn't need to be deterministic for some fruit to hang lower than others.
- rini17 4y agoZinc-air batteries were known for a long time, with double energy density of today's lithium batteries, and without expensive materials. But no one seriously tried to commercialize them for use in vehicles, they ended up in niche - hearing aids.