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If you read my reply below to another users you'll see how officially westerner governments declare and admit that "the invasion" is perfectly legit and provoke

by kkfx 5y ago

If you read my reply below to another users you'll see how officially westerner governments declare and admit that "the invasion" is perfectly legit and provoked by the NATO government as another step of a decade old strategy against Russia. Given that and the fact that Russia have alerted COUNTLESS times what it need to do to protect it's own legitimate national interests yes: confiscating PRIVATE assets basing just on anti-Russian (in the people sense) stanzas is not to be trusted, while an invasion well alerted and well avoided by any means for years by the invader who is finally forced to act is trustable. So the wall of nonsense you see is just the wall of Bernaysian propaganda narrative we all know, not the real nonsense.

lostmsu 5y ago
I was referring to specific claims. The new ones you brought are unrelated, and are about as substantiated.
- kkfx 5y ago
  You are not, sorry for being rude: you have stated clearly "confiscations vs invasion" as the confiscations are rightful and the invasion is not, I give below proofs from OFFICIAL westerners public bodies of the contrary. There is nothing unrelated.
  - lostmsu 5y ago
    First of all, no, I did not imply rightfulness anywhere. It is the opposite, the comparison of someone stealing from you vs someone invading you for no reason. You claim stealing is bad. Is invasion worse? To me the answer is obviously yes. Then you say EU and US are not to be trusted because they are "stealing", and that it's better to trust Russia. But Russia is invading. And since despite that you believe Russia is more trustworthy, I find your reasoning deeply flawed. I do not even need to argue if it was stealing or justified arrest, because there's no need to prove the justification for your claim to be obviously false. Cause even unjustified stealing is magnitudes better than land invasion. And the other countries already decided who is the trustworthy party after this: the US dollars are being bought in large quantities throughout the world as we speak as a hedge against the looming recession.
    - kkfx 5y ago
      > vs someone invading you for no reason. That's the first point you deny: Russia have COUNTLESS reasons to invade, reasons built by NATO for their proxy war they need. Why? Because us in the EU have started to accept friendly proposals from our fellow Europeans (geographically Europe arrive till the Urals, Russia is vast but Moscow is an European capital) to unite: we have the best tech in the world (while we keep demolishing it) they have the biggest natural resources. UK knows being not an empire anymore, USA knows their power is just an industrial-military power in deep cyclic decline so they need to go to war, if they loose Europe they loose anything. If Russia and Europe form the long discussed EAEU we will be the first world power again and China and USA/UK can only kill themselves as we did in the '900 with WWI and WWII witch equal results: becoming satellites of the new old world power. So, as written black on white on OUR and USA public governmental document, I cited some and invited you to read them, they create coups to put in power anglophone-élite friendly nazi militias managing to push Russia to react to stop an European renaissance and that's NOT Putin propaganda, that's written by EU OSCE and USA RAND public reports. In that case the invasion is just a logic and well warned in advance consequence any country in the human history have done as needed, while stealing is an act of thief, pure and simple. > Then you say EU and US are not to be trusted because they are "stealing", and that it's better to trust Russia. Not really: it's better to choose reliable partners who what they say vs a neoliberal criminal nazi elite who keep devastating our world in various waves. Honestly my personal vision is: we from EU need to jail for life in so harsh conditions our ruling class from the public and the private part for high treason, crimes against humanity, embezzlement and many other crimes. We need to declare neliberals for what they are: criminals, son of those liberals who create nazism and fascism in the '900, banned for life from humanity, declare the actual USA, UK, Canada ruling class criminals against humanity to be jailed if they ever enter our territory, forming a real EU (that's already there in young people mind) annihilating the actual scam economy of private money and private-public partnerships and offering Russian fed. a partnership: we gives you tech, you gives us natural resources and we will push toward substantial democracy against formal ones. USA and UK peoples should revolt against their oppressors who made them poor and poorest for their own sake and start to form new governments, again from substantial democracy not formal one, seen their actual dire situation with a New Deal not green but Roosveltian ones.

by kkfx 5y ago

lostmsu 5y ago

I was referring to specific claims. The new ones you brought are unrelated, and are about as substantiated.

kkfx 5y ago
You are not, sorry for being rude: you have stated clearly "confiscations vs invasion" as the confiscations are rightful and the invasion is not, I give below proofs from OFFICIAL westerners public bodies of the contrary. There is nothing unrelated.
- lostmsu 5y ago
  First of all, no, I did not imply rightfulness anywhere. It is the opposite, the comparison of someone stealing from you vs someone invading you for no reason. You claim stealing is bad. Is invasion worse? To me the answer is obviously yes. Then you say EU and US are not to be trusted because they are "stealing", and that it's better to trust Russia. But Russia is invading. And since despite that you believe Russia is more trustworthy, I find your reasoning deeply flawed. I do not even need to argue if it was stealing or justified arrest, because there's no need to prove the justification for your claim to be obviously false. Cause even unjustified stealing is magnitudes better than land invasion. And the other countries already decided who is the trustworthy party after this: the US dollars are being bought in large quantities throughout the world as we speak as a hedge against the looming recession.
  - kkfx 5y ago
    > vs someone invading you for no reason. That's the first point you deny: Russia have COUNTLESS reasons to invade, reasons built by NATO for their proxy war they need. Why? Because us in the EU have started to accept friendly proposals from our fellow Europeans (geographically Europe arrive till the Urals, Russia is vast but Moscow is an European capital) to unite: we have the best tech in the world (while we keep demolishing it) they have the biggest natural resources. UK knows being not an empire anymore, USA knows their power is just an industrial-military power in deep cyclic decline so they need to go to war, if they loose Europe they loose anything. If Russia and Europe form the long discussed EAEU we will be the first world power again and China and USA/UK can only kill themselves as we did in the '900 with WWI and WWII witch equal results: becoming satellites of the new old world power. So, as written black on white on OUR and USA public governmental document, I cited some and invited you to read them, they create coups to put in power anglophone-élite friendly nazi militias managing to push Russia to react to stop an European renaissance and that's NOT Putin propaganda, that's written by EU OSCE and USA RAND public reports. In that case the invasion is just a logic and well warned in advance consequence any country in the human history have done as needed, while stealing is an act of thief, pure and simple. > Then you say EU and US are not to be trusted because they are "stealing", and that it's better to trust Russia. Not really: it's better to choose reliable partners who what they say vs a neoliberal criminal nazi elite who keep devastating our world in various waves. Honestly my personal vision is: we from EU need to jail for life in so harsh conditions our ruling class from the public and the private part for high treason, crimes against humanity, embezzlement and many other crimes. We need to declare neliberals for what they are: criminals, son of those liberals who create nazism and fascism in the '900, banned for life from humanity, declare the actual USA, UK, Canada ruling class criminals against humanity to be jailed if they ever enter our territory, forming a real EU (that's already there in young people mind) annihilating the actual scam economy of private money and private-public partnerships and offering Russian fed. a partnership: we gives you tech, you gives us natural resources and we will push toward substantial democracy against formal ones. USA and UK peoples should revolt against their oppressors who made them poor and poorest for their own sake and start to form new governments, again from substantial democracy not formal one, seen their actual dire situation with a New Deal not green but Roosveltian ones.