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I would fire the whole team immediately if they really dont listen. Noone wants another e-waste.

by hexo 4y ago

chrisandchris 4y ago
I am pretty sure the market disagrees with you.
- hexo 4y ago
  Environment disagrees with "market". "Market" takes whats available. Not producing ewaste means "market" cannot consume it. Simple.
  - Beltalowda 4y ago
    Sure, but the point is that you can keep making these things and people will keep buying them, so "noone wants another e-waste" is clearly not true. Discussions about "the market", its effects on the environment, etc. are all important and worth having, but don't really have much bearing on whether or not "people want another e-waste".
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
      I mean, if you look at it that way then people really want corrupt politicians and exploitative businesses because they keep electing the former and paying the latter. I think people really don't want e-waste. They don't want oceans (and now bodies) full of plastic. The industries have just done a great job of convincing them nothing can be done about the problem.
      - Beltalowda 4y ago
        > I think people really don't want e-waste. They don't want oceans (and now bodies) full of plastic. The industries have just done a great job of convincing them nothing can be done about the problem. I think it's a bit more complex than that; a lot of properties that distinguish a "solid product" from "e-waste" are not at all obvious when you buy it, and it's not illegal and it is cheaper, and people got to make rent too, so... yeah. I agree: in the abstract most people don't "want e-waste", but they also look at costs and other factors, and they do "want e-waste" once you factor that in. It probably shouldn't be strictly illegal too, but now you have a situation where: 1. Consumers blame industry and say that government should do something. 2. Industry says they're just producing what consumers want and that it's not illegal. 3. Government says they want consumers and industry to have free choice and call for different consumer actions and "self-regulation". So basically, everyone is pointing at everyone else, and nothing gets done. And the arguments from the various sides aren't necessarily bad or malicious either: regulation does come with a cost, and cheap stuff does have its use. Personally I think factoring in external environmental costs in to the product price would be good, but it's not so easy as it will make things more expensive, and already enough people are struggling to make ends meet (as the current high inflation rates show) so it all ties in to a lot of other issues as well.
- throw10920 4y ago
  > Noone wants another e-waste. > I am pretty sure the market disagrees with you. Not applicable - efficient market hypothesis requires a host of conditions to be true, and all of the following are unmet: information symmetry, sufficient number of suppliers, lack of monopoly effects, and rational consumers.

I would fire the whole team immediately if they really dont listen. Noone wants another e-waste.

by hexo 4y ago

I would fire the whole team immediately if they really dont listen. Noone wants another e-waste.

chrisandchris 4y ago

I am pretty sure the market disagrees with you.

hexo 4y ago
Environment disagrees with "market". "Market" takes whats available. Not producing ewaste means "market" cannot consume it. Simple.
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  Sure, but the point is that you can keep making these things and people will keep buying them, so "noone wants another e-waste" is clearly not true. Discussions about "the market", its effects on the environment, etc. are all important and worth having, but don't really have much bearing on whether or not "people want another e-waste".
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
    I mean, if you look at it that way then people really want corrupt politicians and exploitative businesses because they keep electing the former and paying the latter. I think people really don't want e-waste. They don't want oceans (and now bodies) full of plastic. The industries have just done a great job of convincing them nothing can be done about the problem.
    - Beltalowda 4y ago
      > I think people really don't want e-waste. They don't want oceans (and now bodies) full of plastic. The industries have just done a great job of convincing them nothing can be done about the problem. I think it's a bit more complex than that; a lot of properties that distinguish a "solid product" from "e-waste" are not at all obvious when you buy it, and it's not illegal and it is cheaper, and people got to make rent too, so... yeah. I agree: in the abstract most people don't "want e-waste", but they also look at costs and other factors, and they do "want e-waste" once you factor that in. It probably shouldn't be strictly illegal too, but now you have a situation where: 1. Consumers blame industry and say that government should do something. 2. Industry says they're just producing what consumers want and that it's not illegal. 3. Government says they want consumers and industry to have free choice and call for different consumer actions and "self-regulation". So basically, everyone is pointing at everyone else, and nothing gets done. And the arguments from the various sides aren't necessarily bad or malicious either: regulation does come with a cost, and cheap stuff does have its use. Personally I think factoring in external environmental costs in to the product price would be good, but it's not so easy as it will make things more expensive, and already enough people are struggling to make ends meet (as the current high inflation rates show) so it all ties in to a lot of other issues as well.
throw10920 4y ago
> Noone wants another e-waste. > I am pretty sure the market disagrees with you. Not applicable - efficient market hypothesis requires a host of conditions to be true, and all of the following are unmet: information symmetry, sufficient number of suppliers, lack of monopoly effects, and rational consumers.