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> "Cyberspace ... has actually become a common word used by all of us." No, no it has not. Various corporate and government flacks, and tone-deaf reporters, ha

by ncmncm 5y ago

> "Cyberspace ... has actually become a common word used by all of us." No, no it has not. Various corporate and government flacks, and tone-deaf reporters, have been trying for decades to make it a word we use. But we do not. I have never said it out loud. And there is no reason to expect we ever will.

mdp2021 5y ago
It stimulates leisure thoughts about what a "cyberspace" can be. Directly, it is the sea: the kybernetes traditionally guides a ship. The direct descendant, recognizable in sound, of kybernan is "govern", and the "space for governing" can be anything, any metaphor from the mind to the house to the world. In the sense after Norbert Wiener, it is the space where feedback is key to orienting behavior - and, again, it could be everything (and, in satiric terms, nothing).
- naniwaduni 5y ago
  Cybernetics is, of course, the study of Kubernetes deployment.
  - mdp2021 5y ago
    The name of the software named "Kubernetes" makes sense only as a "governor" for containers. Cybernetics /may/ be with effort used to indicate "management of agents", because your example seems to use it that way, but it seems unfitting: the image of the "steering man" for 'cybernetics', the "study of feedback based systems", comes from the fact of the heavy feedback that a ship and its controls give to the operator and must be managed to operate effectively - to "direct" a ship, you have to "govern" it (not simply "instruct" it), that is (seems to be) where the sense comes from. "Cybernetics" clearly deals with all feedback based systems, not just "agents with respect to events and resources" (the latter by the way being more a matter of "economics") like the mentioned software seems to do (and one could wonder how much sophisticated theory is behind it, and how much just centralized management. Kubernetes, the software, does many different things). (Of course, clearly yours remains a joke as a «study» involves "laws", principles, not implementations.)
least 5y ago
It's become common enough that you know what it is without looking it up, which I think is a fine place for it to be, even if it's fallen out of use. World Wide Web, Information Superhighway, and other means of referring to what we just call the internet today are also somewhat esoteric, but you probably understand what they are.
- ncmncm 5y ago
  It is a helpful marker for fundamental incomprehension of the topic being exposited, allowing us to skip to some other, possibly more enlightening material.

by ncmncm 5y ago

mdp2021 5y ago

It stimulates leisure thoughts about what a "cyberspace" can be. Directly, it is the sea: the kybernetes traditionally guides a ship. The direct descendant, recognizable in sound, of kybernan is "govern", and the "space for governing" can be anything, any metaphor from the mind to the house to the world. In the sense after Norbert Wiener, it is the space where feedback is key to orienting behavior - and, again, it could be everything (and, in satiric terms, nothing).

naniwaduni 5y ago
Cybernetics is, of course, the study of Kubernetes deployment.
- mdp2021 5y ago
  The name of the software named "Kubernetes" makes sense only as a "governor" for containers. Cybernetics /may/ be with effort used to indicate "management of agents", because your example seems to use it that way, but it seems unfitting: the image of the "steering man" for 'cybernetics', the "study of feedback based systems", comes from the fact of the heavy feedback that a ship and its controls give to the operator and must be managed to operate effectively - to "direct" a ship, you have to "govern" it (not simply "instruct" it), that is (seems to be) where the sense comes from. "Cybernetics" clearly deals with all feedback based systems, not just "agents with respect to events and resources" (the latter by the way being more a matter of "economics") like the mentioned software seems to do (and one could wonder how much sophisticated theory is behind it, and how much just centralized management. Kubernetes, the software, does many different things). (Of course, clearly yours remains a joke as a «study» involves "laws", principles, not implementations.)

least 5y ago

It's become common enough that you know what it is without looking it up, which I think is a fine place for it to be, even if it's fallen out of use. World Wide Web, Information Superhighway, and other means of referring to what we just call the internet today are also somewhat esoteric, but you probably understand what they are.

ncmncm 5y ago
It is a helpful marker for fundamental incomprehension of the topic being exposited, allowing us to skip to some other, possibly more enlightening material.