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Interestingly, this requires a second set of vehicles, as the electrical trucks won't cut it on the long haul. This evens the ground for rail-based logistics,

Interestingly, this requires a second set of vehicles, as the electrical trucks won't cut it on the long haul. This evens the ground for rail-based logistics, which also need a second set of vehicles at the target location. Of course, the drivers of these City-Trucks will earn city wages. It will be interesting to see how this works out economically.

quickthrower2 4y ago
Maybe the cost of stuff in London goes up by a penny or two, spreading it across everyone. Maybe a tiny bit less crap gets ordered online that wasn’t needed.
Closi 4y ago
A second set of vehicles is required for long-haul anyway. Usually you want to do the long-haul part with a large capacity articulated vehicle (e.g. a double decker) and these will typically need to be offloaded at a depot, and then you will do the next leg with a rigid vehicle if required. Similarly for Rail you are loading a container which will then probably be handled by an articulated vehicle before THEN being loaded onto a rigid vehicle. (I'm a logistics / supply chain consultant based in the UK, so aware of how these things usually work over here at least)
- hnbad 4y ago
  Sure but the point is that unlike with traditional LGVs, the long-haul can't be done with electric ones because of the weight of the batteries required to serve that kind of distance.
  - Closi 4y ago
    Yeah but in both scenarios you are putting it on a different vehicle to go longhaul. These would be replacing rigids for fairly local delivery - rigids which don’t usually do long haul now.
- alistairSH 4y ago
  A second set of vehicles is required for long-haul anyway. Per the article, it appears that isn't the case in NYC. The 53'ers are driving downtown despite regulation to the contrary. It should be the case. And is now the case in London. Just not here in the US.
  - Closi 4y ago
    Let me clarify - if you are operating a fleet of rigids you are probably not operating those long haul (if you are, you probably shouldn’t be!). This replaces rigid vehicles which already operate in this manor - it’s not a totally different class of vehicle. This doesn’t also mean that you wouldn’t operate a large articulated vehicle on a short-haul basis, it depends on the load characteristics. You don’t always want the biggest possible vehicle, which is why rigids exist (in cases where a driver day caps out on time or miles before vehicle capacity). But you probably aren’t operating a rigid long haul, because that load can just be mixed onto the back of a larger trunk.
  - CRConrad 4y ago
    > despite regulation to the contrary. So it is required, people just don't live up to the requirements.

quickthrower2 4y ago

Maybe the cost of stuff in London goes up by a penny or two, spreading it across everyone. Maybe a tiny bit less crap gets ordered online that wasn’t needed.

Closi 4y ago

A second set of vehicles is required for long-haul anyway. Usually you want to do the long-haul part with a large capacity articulated vehicle (e.g. a double decker) and these will typically need to be offloaded at a depot, and then you will do the next leg with a rigid vehicle if required. Similarly for Rail you are loading a container which will then probably be handled by an articulated vehicle before THEN being loaded onto a rigid vehicle. (I'm a logistics / supply chain consultant based in the UK, so aware of how these things usually work over here at least)

hnbad 4y ago
Sure but the point is that unlike with traditional LGVs, the long-haul can't be done with electric ones because of the weight of the batteries required to serve that kind of distance.
- Closi 4y ago
  Yeah but in both scenarios you are putting it on a different vehicle to go longhaul. These would be replacing rigids for fairly local delivery - rigids which don’t usually do long haul now.
alistairSH 4y ago
A second set of vehicles is required for long-haul anyway. Per the article, it appears that isn't the case in NYC. The 53'ers are driving downtown despite regulation to the contrary. It should be the case. And is now the case in London. Just not here in the US.
- Closi 4y ago
  Let me clarify - if you are operating a fleet of rigids you are probably not operating those long haul (if you are, you probably shouldn’t be!). This replaces rigid vehicles which already operate in this manor - it’s not a totally different class of vehicle. This doesn’t also mean that you wouldn’t operate a large articulated vehicle on a short-haul basis, it depends on the load characteristics. You don’t always want the biggest possible vehicle, which is why rigids exist (in cases where a driver day caps out on time or miles before vehicle capacity). But you probably aren’t operating a rigid long haul, because that load can just be mixed onto the back of a larger trunk.
- CRConrad 4y ago
  > despite regulation to the contrary. So it is required, people just don't live up to the requirements.