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London added the "Low Emission Zone" in 2008, phasing it in over 4 years with more aggressive pollution levels, with the "Ultra Low Emission Zone" coming in to

London added the "Low Emission Zone" in 2008, phasing it in over 4 years with more aggressive pollution levels, with the "Ultra Low Emission Zone" coming in to effect a couple of years ago. Polluting vehicles aren't banned, just charged each time they enter the zone, via automated camera based solutions. Aim is to provide a solid financial incentive towards using more fuel efficient vehicles. Large commercial vehicles get charged £100 a day, everything else just £12.50. So not really prohibitive, but also a cost that soon adds up. It has been highly effective, with a large reduction of pollution in the city, and no doubt the city really appreciates the additional revenue stream (even if it's tied to specific projects)

wolverine876 4y ago
> Polluting vehicles aren't banned, just charged each time they enter the zone, via automated camera based solutions. Does that discriminate against people without money, who can't always afford less-polluting cars, can't afford the fines, and thus are excluded from public streets?
- merijnv 4y ago
  You're assuming cars are the only valid transport option. London isn't the US, you can just take the subway or bus instead...
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- IneffablePigeon 4y ago
  One could argue it makes even cheaper options like walking and cycling into more palatable alternatives. In any case, the vast majority of people in London use public transport to get around. I'm not sure how it works for tradespeople who need to carry equipment. I'd hope there are schemes to subsidize more efficient vehicles for those sorts of cases, although I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't any.
- baud147258 4y ago
  Well, the poor are supposed to take the efficient public transportation, while the affluent can continue to use their gas-guzzlers (and now their expensive electric cars) to clog the streets
- Milner08 4y ago
  Yes, but London has fantastic public transport to the extent where if you are living in the Ultra Low Emission Zone you probably don't need a car (if you could even afford a place with a parking space). Now the extension of the Low Emission Zone is a different matter, but its less strict and while people complained a bit before it expanded I've not heard of any major issues from it (but then again, I am probably in a bubble).
- Accacin 4y ago
  It's funny - If I need to go down to London, I'll drive my car to a station just outside of London (where I can park all day relatively cheaply), and then take the train into London and use the underground whilst I'm there. Kind of just goes to show how crap trains are outside of London, and how great they are inside of London. Plus, I've only driven in London once and it's not something I'd want to do again :D
  - jhugo 4y ago
    Driving in very-central London is great. Ever since all the fees the streets are often empty! Parking on the other hand...
- a2tech 4y ago
  According to every non-wealthy Londoner that I've spoken to...yes. Regular folk that live in the city are being squeezed every which way. They don't want to leave because its always been their home but the city is optimizing for the wealthy and well-to-do. It'll be interesting to see what happens if all the really cheap labor stops showing up (cheap labor from the EU) and working people clear out of London. What good is your million dollar flat if you can't get furniture delivered or a tradesperson in to fit a wardrobe?
  - tim333 4y ago
    I'm a Londoner who's just swapped their car to meet the ULEZ standards and it's not that demanding cost wise. Pretty much any petrol car after 2002 or so qualifies and glancing at Vauxhall Astras for example you can get one from £650 in serviceable state. It's a bit of a pain but not compared to dying early of some respiratory illness. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205095508156?price-to=1000&include-delivery-option=on&sort=price-asc&ulez-compliant=on&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&radius=1500&make=Vauxhall&postcode=w1s1nh&advertising-location=at_cars&model=Astra&page=1 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205095508156?pri...
- tom_ 4y ago
  The rules are not very stringent for petrol cars. Pretty much anything from the past 15 years will do.

wolverine876 4y ago

> Polluting vehicles aren't banned, just charged each time they enter the zone, via automated camera based solutions. Does that discriminate against people without money, who can't always afford less-polluting cars, can't afford the fines, and thus are excluded from public streets?

merijnv 4y ago
You're assuming cars are the only valid transport option. London isn't the US, you can just take the subway or bus instead...
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IneffablePigeon 4y ago
One could argue it makes even cheaper options like walking and cycling into more palatable alternatives. In any case, the vast majority of people in London use public transport to get around. I'm not sure how it works for tradespeople who need to carry equipment. I'd hope there are schemes to subsidize more efficient vehicles for those sorts of cases, although I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't any.
baud147258 4y ago
Well, the poor are supposed to take the efficient public transportation, while the affluent can continue to use their gas-guzzlers (and now their expensive electric cars) to clog the streets
Milner08 4y ago
Yes, but London has fantastic public transport to the extent where if you are living in the Ultra Low Emission Zone you probably don't need a car (if you could even afford a place with a parking space). Now the extension of the Low Emission Zone is a different matter, but its less strict and while people complained a bit before it expanded I've not heard of any major issues from it (but then again, I am probably in a bubble).
Accacin 4y ago
It's funny - If I need to go down to London, I'll drive my car to a station just outside of London (where I can park all day relatively cheaply), and then take the train into London and use the underground whilst I'm there. Kind of just goes to show how crap trains are outside of London, and how great they are inside of London. Plus, I've only driven in London once and it's not something I'd want to do again :D
- jhugo 4y ago
  Driving in very-central London is great. Ever since all the fees the streets are often empty! Parking on the other hand...
a2tech 4y ago
According to every non-wealthy Londoner that I've spoken to...yes. Regular folk that live in the city are being squeezed every which way. They don't want to leave because its always been their home but the city is optimizing for the wealthy and well-to-do. It'll be interesting to see what happens if all the really cheap labor stops showing up (cheap labor from the EU) and working people clear out of London. What good is your million dollar flat if you can't get furniture delivered or a tradesperson in to fit a wardrobe?
- tim333 4y ago
  I'm a Londoner who's just swapped their car to meet the ULEZ standards and it's not that demanding cost wise. Pretty much any petrol car after 2002 or so qualifies and glancing at Vauxhall Astras for example you can get one from £650 in serviceable state. It's a bit of a pain but not compared to dying early of some respiratory illness. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205095508156?price-to=1000&include-delivery-option=on&sort=price-asc&ulez-compliant=on&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&radius=1500&make=Vauxhall&postcode=w1s1nh&advertising-location=at_cars&model=Astra&page=1 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202205095508156?pri...
tom_ 4y ago
The rules are not very stringent for petrol cars. Pretty much anything from the past 15 years will do.