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It reminds me of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_education_system https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_education_system This system is only used in German

by qznc 4y ago

It reminds me of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_education_system https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_education_system This system is only used in German-speaking countries but it works there. The basic is that students are employed by a company and work there half the time. In return the company pays for the studies in the other half.

TMWNN 4y ago
>This system is only used in German-speaking countries but it works there. Dyson Institute (<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_Institute_of_Engineering_and_Technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_Institute_of_Engineering...>) is something similar in England. All students are paid employees of Dyson while working toward their engineering degree.
col_rad 4y ago
I did my Bachelor this way. I’d say you learn much more compared to University. And a great way to gain some real work experience. I did a proper University Master afterwards but the experience from the dual system helped me a great deal with my first job in the industry.
OJFord 4y ago
That's not 'only used in German-speaking countries', unless you insist on the (translated) naming. It's called 'an apprenticeship' in the UK for example, and similarly elsewhere I assume. Some universities offer them for professional degrees now too - I had a colleague at Arm who was part-time and a student on such a programme. (Two days a week year round apart from a break for exams iirc - quite distinct from the (more common) summer internship format.)
voqv 4y ago
A more concrete example of universities with this system are DHBWs in the state of Baden Württemberg: [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden-W%C3%BCrttemberg_Cooperative_State_University https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden-W%C3%BCrttemberg_Coopera...
lwkl 4y ago
That‘s not how this works in German speaking countries in Europe. The school is paid for by the tax payer and the company pays the apprentice a salary that should represent the value they create as an apprentice. The company also pays for additional courses organized by their guilds. For programmers and system administrators this might be how to build a pc or a network or how to build some software project. It‘s a great system for companies and apprentices. I think there are even some Swiss companies that try to build similar programs in the US because they have a hard time hiring in the US.

by qznc 4y ago

TMWNN 4y ago

>This system is only used in German-speaking countries but it works there. Dyson Institute (<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_Institute_of_Engineering_and_Technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_Institute_of_Engineering...>) is something similar in England. All students are paid employees of Dyson while working toward their engineering degree.

col_rad 4y ago

I did my Bachelor this way. I’d say you learn much more compared to University. And a great way to gain some real work experience. I did a proper University Master afterwards but the experience from the dual system helped me a great deal with my first job in the industry.

OJFord 4y ago

That's not 'only used in German-speaking countries', unless you insist on the (translated) naming. It's called 'an apprenticeship' in the UK for example, and similarly elsewhere I assume. Some universities offer them for professional degrees now too - I had a colleague at Arm who was part-time and a student on such a programme. (Two days a week year round apart from a break for exams iirc - quite distinct from the (more common) summer internship format.)

voqv 4y ago

A more concrete example of universities with this system are DHBWs in the state of Baden Württemberg: [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden-W%C3%BCrttemberg_Cooperative_State_University https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baden-W%C3%BCrttemberg_Coopera...

lwkl 4y ago

That‘s not how this works in German speaking countries in Europe. The school is paid for by the tax payer and the company pays the apprentice a salary that should represent the value they create as an apprentice. The company also pays for additional courses organized by their guilds. For programmers and system administrators this might be how to build a pc or a network or how to build some software project. It‘s a great system for companies and apprentices. I think there are even some Swiss companies that try to build similar programs in the US because they have a hard time hiring in the US.