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The end goal of mindfulness is to make you realize that you don’t exist, you have no free will, and there is no “you.” It can be an unpleasant place to be dropp

The end goal of mindfulness is to make you realize that you don’t exist, you have no free will, and there is no “you.” It can be an unpleasant place to be dropped off in.

zmgsabst 4y ago
We must have different teachers, as I heard it differently: No Self is the path to Intentional Self. The goal isn’t the deconstruction of the self, but rather, that through the deconstruction of the self we can act from a place of intention rather than bias and preconceived notions. And in doing so, no longer engage in the random suffering that was thrust upon us — but the intentional suffering that comes from our chosen life. Life is suffering — the only escape to that is death; instead, we should seek to choose our suffering, as befits our goals.
- stevebmark 4y ago
  There is no choice. There is no intention. There is no you.
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    Like I said, you seem trapped in a poor vision of what enlightenment means — the goal isn’t to burn down your inner garden, but to tend it. :)
    - stevebmark 4y ago
      It sounds like you’re talking about Buddhism. I’m talking about the recently popular mindfulness practice.
- bowsamic 4y ago
  > Life is suffering — the only escape to that is death; instead, we should seek to choose our suffering, as befits our goals. I don't know what this is, but it isn't Buddhism
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    Seems awfully egocentric to declare other people’s beliefs “aren’t Buddhism”. Perhaps you should read more if you haven’t encountered the teachings on not becoming disconnected, but instead present and purposeful post enlightenment.
    - bowsamic 4y ago
      I don't think so, words have meanings, Buddhism refers to a group of sets of ideas and doctrines. Buddhism encourages disconnection, in fact the Buddha said that withdrawing is good and that sense pleasures are dangerous. What you said is wrong because it implies that suffering is NOT something we should seek to be free from. I take it you're a beginner to the practise?
      - zmgsabst 4y ago
        > Buddhism encourages disconnection, in fact the Buddha said that withdrawing is good and that sense pleasures are dangerous I don’t think that’s what the Buddha teaches — rather, that we should be intentional in our attachment. (Sense pleasures are unrelated to what we’re talking about — but I agree it says eg, intoxication is bad.) > What you said is wrong because it implies that suffering is NOT something we should seek to be free from. Yes — simple disconnection is vapid, it’s only once we choose to live out our actual role in accordance with our True Self or Intentional Self that we’re actually free. The desire to “escape” through enlightenment, which ends in disconnection, is a false awakening — though one many experience. > I take it you're a beginner to the practise? Your need to insult me or denigrate my experience and beliefs because they don’t agree with yours points to a strongly egotistical mindset. Are you a beginner?
        bowsamic 4y ago
        Are you actually a beginner though? There are a lot of misunderstandings here. The Buddha never said that attachment is good. Also what is “True Self” or “Intentional Self”? Those are not Buddhist teachings. Buddhism isn’t about acting intentionally based on attachments, it’s about being totally liberated from them. Where exactly did you learn his interpretation of Buddhism?

The end goal of mindfulness is to make you realize that you don’t exist, you have no free will, and there is no “you.” It can be an unpleasant place to be dropped off in.

zmgsabst 4y ago

We must have different teachers, as I heard it differently: No Self is the path to Intentional Self. The goal isn’t the deconstruction of the self, but rather, that through the deconstruction of the self we can act from a place of intention rather than bias and preconceived notions. And in doing so, no longer engage in the random suffering that was thrust upon us — but the intentional suffering that comes from our chosen life. Life is suffering — the only escape to that is death; instead, we should seek to choose our suffering, as befits our goals.

stevebmark 4y ago
There is no choice. There is no intention. There is no you.
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  Like I said, you seem trapped in a poor vision of what enlightenment means — the goal isn’t to burn down your inner garden, but to tend it. :)
  - stevebmark 4y ago
    It sounds like you’re talking about Buddhism. I’m talking about the recently popular mindfulness practice.
bowsamic 4y ago
> Life is suffering — the only escape to that is death; instead, we should seek to choose our suffering, as befits our goals. I don't know what this is, but it isn't Buddhism
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  Seems awfully egocentric to declare other people’s beliefs “aren’t Buddhism”. Perhaps you should read more if you haven’t encountered the teachings on not becoming disconnected, but instead present and purposeful post enlightenment.
  - bowsamic 4y ago
    I don't think so, words have meanings, Buddhism refers to a group of sets of ideas and doctrines. Buddhism encourages disconnection, in fact the Buddha said that withdrawing is good and that sense pleasures are dangerous. What you said is wrong because it implies that suffering is NOT something we should seek to be free from. I take it you're a beginner to the practise?
    - zmgsabst 4y ago
      > Buddhism encourages disconnection, in fact the Buddha said that withdrawing is good and that sense pleasures are dangerous I don’t think that’s what the Buddha teaches — rather, that we should be intentional in our attachment. (Sense pleasures are unrelated to what we’re talking about — but I agree it says eg, intoxication is bad.) > What you said is wrong because it implies that suffering is NOT something we should seek to be free from. Yes — simple disconnection is vapid, it’s only once we choose to live out our actual role in accordance with our True Self or Intentional Self that we’re actually free. The desire to “escape” through enlightenment, which ends in disconnection, is a false awakening — though one many experience. > I take it you're a beginner to the practise? Your need to insult me or denigrate my experience and beliefs because they don’t agree with yours points to a strongly egotistical mindset. Are you a beginner?
      - bowsamic 4y ago
        Are you actually a beginner though? There are a lot of misunderstandings here. The Buddha never said that attachment is good. Also what is “True Self” or “Intentional Self”? Those are not Buddhist teachings. Buddhism isn’t about acting intentionally based on attachments, it’s about being totally liberated from them. Where exactly did you learn his interpretation of Buddhism?