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> The idea of those who favor "kings and aristocracy" is more that we'll always have people around with more power than others (elites), and that formal transpa

> The idea of those who favor "kings and aristocracy" is more that we'll always have people around with more power than others (elites), and that formal transparency about who these people are ultimately improves accountability But this is of course palpable nonsense. The entire point of kings and aristocracy was to formalise the notion that the de facto elite was in fact a class of people so superior to everyone else as to render the notion that they should be held accountable for their actions by mere commoners as laughable. The difference between a king and a president isn't that the latter's status as an elite is more ambiguous, but that the president has some semblance of accountability to the public whereas with the king, it's a case of the public being accountable to the king.

zozbot234 5y ago
There are plenty of people in current government who are de facto not accountable to the public. Sometimes that lack of accountability is even intended by design. Are Supreme Court Justices accountable to the public for their interpretation of the law?
- Thorrez 5y ago
  They can be impeached. So I think if their interpretation was wildly wildly wrong, they could be impeached.
  - seanp2k2 5y ago
    But impeach a majority of them? Impossible in reality.
    - eqNotEq 5y ago
      I’d be shocked if even one is. A political mechanism defined on paper does not mean anyone will ever invoke it.
- WBrentWilliams 5y ago
  On paper, SCotUS _can_ be held accountable by the public through their representatives. The process is called impeachment. The house _can_ impeach a sitting Justice, and the Senate _can_ vote to remove them from office. This currently is unlikely, but the it _is_ possible. The "easier" route is for the legislature to "see" the ruling and pass a law that counter-acts it. The general public can _also_ call their own Constitutional conventions and pass amendments to the Constitution to hold SCotUS responsible. The real "problem" is all of these solutions, by design, require significant effort. If you want changes, you will need to make them happen.
- notahacker 5y ago
  I said semblance of accountability for a reason. Still, Supreme Court justices are appointed in limited number by elected politicians - who have to justify the appointment based on their supposed professional credentials - to discharge a specific set of duties They certainly would not be more accountable if their appointments were more aristocratic in character (i.e. they inherited them from their ancestors who had been appointed for arbitrary reasons by an unelected monarch) and, like aristocrats, they didn't have to explain how and why they exercised the powers given to them.

zozbot234 5y ago

There are plenty of people in current government who are de facto not accountable to the public. Sometimes that lack of accountability is even intended by design. Are Supreme Court Justices accountable to the public for their interpretation of the law?

Thorrez 5y ago
They can be impeached. So I think if their interpretation was wildly wildly wrong, they could be impeached.
- seanp2k2 5y ago
  But impeach a majority of them? Impossible in reality.
  - eqNotEq 5y ago
    I’d be shocked if even one is. A political mechanism defined on paper does not mean anyone will ever invoke it.
WBrentWilliams 5y ago
On paper, SCotUS _can_ be held accountable by the public through their representatives. The process is called impeachment. The house _can_ impeach a sitting Justice, and the Senate _can_ vote to remove them from office. This currently is unlikely, but the it _is_ possible. The "easier" route is for the legislature to "see" the ruling and pass a law that counter-acts it. The general public can _also_ call their own Constitutional conventions and pass amendments to the Constitution to hold SCotUS responsible. The real "problem" is all of these solutions, by design, require significant effort. If you want changes, you will need to make them happen.
notahacker 5y ago
I said semblance of accountability for a reason. Still, Supreme Court justices are appointed in limited number by elected politicians - who have to justify the appointment based on their supposed professional credentials - to discharge a specific set of duties They certainly would not be more accountable if their appointments were more aristocratic in character (i.e. they inherited them from their ancestors who had been appointed for arbitrary reasons by an unelected monarch) and, like aristocrats, they didn't have to explain how and why they exercised the powers given to them.