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I’ve found it’s easier to outsource maintenance and harder to outsource creation of software. Cultural issues coupled with time zone changes are difficult to ov

I’ve found it’s easier to outsource maintenance and harder to outsource creation of software. Cultural issues coupled with time zone changes are difficult to overcome.

moonchrome 4y ago
You can work in the same time zone : - Mexico, South America are same time zones as US - as the other poster mentioned 75% US dev salary puts you in 1% in Eastern Europe, you will have no problem finding people with flexible work schedule adjusted to your TZ Cultural issues are a thing in terms of understanding the US market - but that's up to your PMs/POs to handle. Cultural differences in terms of work habits, etc. go away with good compensation (if you're willing to pay for top people).
- Gigachad 4y ago
  I think different people have different contexts on this. If you are an American in big tech earning the highest wage, then outsourcing could look like spending 75% and still getting top talent. But for everyone else around the world, outsourcing can only mean getting the bottom talent because they were already mid tier wages. I’m in Australia and our company has mostly local with some outsourced devs in Indonesia and while they try hard, they universally just aren’t very experienced. And as soon as they become experienced they leave because they can now make the same wage as the Australian devs.
  - aussieguy1234 4y ago
    I've had similar experiences. The outsourced engineers work locally when they graduate from college (or sometimes, "coding bootcamp") until they get good experience and can match it with engineers in higher wage countries. Then they leave their home countries for the higher wages overseas. The standards of education are often lower in lower wage countries. Sometimes it'll be full college, often people will just complete a coding bootcamp then call themselves a software engineer. In other words, you get what you pay for.
- badpun 4y ago
  > as the other poster mentioned 75% US dev salary puts you in 1% in Eastern Europe, you will have no problem finding people with flexible work schedule adjusted to your TZ Assuming the US salary is $150k, 75% of that is $112.5k. It probably is in top 1% in EE in general, but definitely not among developers. If you're senior, you can find a remote position paying that much in one of Western European countries.

I’ve found it’s easier to outsource maintenance and harder to outsource creation of software. Cultural issues coupled with time zone changes are difficult to overcome.

moonchrome 4y ago

You can work in the same time zone : - Mexico, South America are same time zones as US - as the other poster mentioned 75% US dev salary puts you in 1% in Eastern Europe, you will have no problem finding people with flexible work schedule adjusted to your TZ Cultural issues are a thing in terms of understanding the US market - but that's up to your PMs/POs to handle. Cultural differences in terms of work habits, etc. go away with good compensation (if you're willing to pay for top people).

Gigachad 4y ago
I think different people have different contexts on this. If you are an American in big tech earning the highest wage, then outsourcing could look like spending 75% and still getting top talent. But for everyone else around the world, outsourcing can only mean getting the bottom talent because they were already mid tier wages. I’m in Australia and our company has mostly local with some outsourced devs in Indonesia and while they try hard, they universally just aren’t very experienced. And as soon as they become experienced they leave because they can now make the same wage as the Australian devs.
- aussieguy1234 4y ago
  I've had similar experiences. The outsourced engineers work locally when they graduate from college (or sometimes, "coding bootcamp") until they get good experience and can match it with engineers in higher wage countries. Then they leave their home countries for the higher wages overseas. The standards of education are often lower in lower wage countries. Sometimes it'll be full college, often people will just complete a coding bootcamp then call themselves a software engineer. In other words, you get what you pay for.
badpun 4y ago
> as the other poster mentioned 75% US dev salary puts you in 1% in Eastern Europe, you will have no problem finding people with flexible work schedule adjusted to your TZ Assuming the US salary is $150k, 75% of that is $112.5k. It probably is in top 1% in EE in general, but definitely not among developers. If you're senior, you can find a remote position paying that much in one of Western European countries.