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stock n64 goldeneye is unplayable garbage https://youtu.be/ziUMJB3id8I https://youtu.be/ziUMJB3id8I what a waste of time

ironSkillet 4y ago
Of course it doesn't hold up to modern standards 25 years later. But at the time it was released, it was considered outstanding and revolutionary. I mean c'mon, you could shoot guards in the groin and they would slowly fall to the ground clutching their junk in agony.
- ericlewis 4y ago
  Indeed a large appeal was the technical marvel of have a 4 person split screen game of such magnitude. Very different from the relative simplicity of Mario kart. Edit: it also bothers me that despite our progress on all technological fronts we still get halo as the best split screen fps experience. Edit 2: also still love playing OG 007 with friends who come over because if you didn’t figure out how to prevent screen cheating you never learned how to actually play.
  - dannyfraser 4y ago
    Oh that last point! My friends and I used to just strafe along every single wall and all you could see was the wall texture until it was time to shoot. We knew all the levels so well that just the changes in lighting, or sometimes how quickly a door opened, were enough for us to tell where someone else was (avoid the coloured corridors in Complex). Screen cheating is a skill, countering it is a skill, and countering THAT is an even bigger skill.
    - ericlewis 4y ago
      Oh the sounds too. You knew when someone opened a door and there are only so many doors and if they opened two doors in rapid succession.. they were gonzo. The game is really a game of mastering all senses I guess lol.
- fernandotakai 4y ago
  you could should their hats without damaging the guards! (which was great on facility (aka second mission) -- you could shot the hat out of a guard that was using the bathroom).
ericlewis 4y ago
The game being hard was part of the appeal. It took skill. Maybe arguably dumb skill on the wrong areas - but skill. I’m not impressed that modernizing and switching the input methods made it “better” because my respect for them as a player will still come from how well they can do hobbled in the same way as myself. Edit: one such strategy is using odd job, the most derided of strategies because you were basically taking advantage of how difficult it was to use the Z axis. Screen cheating was generally not that big a deal because you could do it just as well as anyone else. It was more so “honor in doing so” that was a problem.
- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  Oddjob was what we made the winner-goes-on play as in my circle of friends because his head is at headshot level. You headshot him by just firing from the hip. Jaws, on the other hand, was taller than everyone so everyone had to aim up at your head, and you could get headshots on everyone else without moving the reticle. Offjob's true advantage, at least for us, was that he could hide inside exploded boxes and he could counter Jaws.
  - nick_ 4y ago
    Wait you can fire from the hip in goldeneye?
    - ericlewis 4y ago
      Yes. I’d argue zooming was less likely, the AK47 that looked like a bottle of Chianti and you sprayed everywhere being a good example. It was really hard to try and use the aiming mode but key to levels (I forget exact name) where it’s a maze that people can end up on different stories. The one with all the hidden doors is what I’m referring to.
      - ericlewis 4y ago
        Perhaps it didn’t look like it was from the hip - but for all intents and purposes it was. Holding down the Z button and aiming with the joystick was “down the sights”. I don’t recall if accuracy differs much in either scenario but the Z button version definitely did differ in accuracy when you were panic-shooting.
hombre_fatal 4y ago
Even if you were to take that guy's word as gospel, he even says later that the game is good, that the game's controls just aged poorly, thus if you use the mouse+keyboard patch the game is good again.

ironSkillet 4y ago

Of course it doesn't hold up to modern standards 25 years later. But at the time it was released, it was considered outstanding and revolutionary. I mean c'mon, you could shoot guards in the groin and they would slowly fall to the ground clutching their junk in agony.

ericlewis 4y ago
Indeed a large appeal was the technical marvel of have a 4 person split screen game of such magnitude. Very different from the relative simplicity of Mario kart. Edit: it also bothers me that despite our progress on all technological fronts we still get halo as the best split screen fps experience. Edit 2: also still love playing OG 007 with friends who come over because if you didn’t figure out how to prevent screen cheating you never learned how to actually play.
- dannyfraser 4y ago
  Oh that last point! My friends and I used to just strafe along every single wall and all you could see was the wall texture until it was time to shoot. We knew all the levels so well that just the changes in lighting, or sometimes how quickly a door opened, were enough for us to tell where someone else was (avoid the coloured corridors in Complex). Screen cheating is a skill, countering it is a skill, and countering THAT is an even bigger skill.
  - ericlewis 4y ago
    Oh the sounds too. You knew when someone opened a door and there are only so many doors and if they opened two doors in rapid succession.. they were gonzo. The game is really a game of mastering all senses I guess lol.
fernandotakai 4y ago
you could should their hats without damaging the guards! (which was great on facility (aka second mission) -- you could shot the hat out of a guard that was using the bathroom).

ericlewis 4y ago

The game being hard was part of the appeal. It took skill. Maybe arguably dumb skill on the wrong areas - but skill. I’m not impressed that modernizing and switching the input methods made it “better” because my respect for them as a player will still come from how well they can do hobbled in the same way as myself. Edit: one such strategy is using odd job, the most derided of strategies because you were basically taking advantage of how difficult it was to use the Z axis. Screen cheating was generally not that big a deal because you could do it just as well as anyone else. It was more so “honor in doing so” that was a problem.

hombre_fatal 4y ago
Oddjob was what we made the winner-goes-on play as in my circle of friends because his head is at headshot level. You headshot him by just firing from the hip. Jaws, on the other hand, was taller than everyone so everyone had to aim up at your head, and you could get headshots on everyone else without moving the reticle. Offjob's true advantage, at least for us, was that he could hide inside exploded boxes and he could counter Jaws.
- nick_ 4y ago
  Wait you can fire from the hip in goldeneye?
  - ericlewis 4y ago
    Yes. I’d argue zooming was less likely, the AK47 that looked like a bottle of Chianti and you sprayed everywhere being a good example. It was really hard to try and use the aiming mode but key to levels (I forget exact name) where it’s a maze that people can end up on different stories. The one with all the hidden doors is what I’m referring to.
    - ericlewis 4y ago
      Perhaps it didn’t look like it was from the hip - but for all intents and purposes it was. Holding down the Z button and aiming with the joystick was “down the sights”. I don’t recall if accuracy differs much in either scenario but the Z button version definitely did differ in accuracy when you were panic-shooting.

hombre_fatal 4y ago

Even if you were to take that guy's word as gospel, he even says later that the game is good, that the game's controls just aged poorly, thus if you use the mouse+keyboard patch the game is good again.