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We talked about exactly this in my Ethics in Technology class and came to the same conclusion you've stated. Yes, this is terrible from our perspective because

We talked about exactly this in my Ethics in Technology class and came to the same conclusion you've stated. Yes, this is terrible from our perspective because we outlawed those kind of working conditions years ago. But if there were better options, then there wouldn't be so many people working for Fox Con. And if it's bad to us but manageable to them, then there is worse out there that they are trying to get away from. Thinking and talking about the situation in terms of our lives sensationalizes more than it informs.

coob 15y ago
I wonder what people slamming Foxconn think of the fact that all US military helmets are made by prison slave labour in the US.
- rwmj 15y ago
  It's not a competition. You can think that both things are bad.
jtbigwoo 15y ago
And if it's bad to us but manageable to them, then there is worse out there that they are trying to get away from. If every person's situation is relative, then how do we oppose slavery or abuse? It's better than starving to death, right? The real problem here is that there's no recourse in our current economy. China makes well over half the electronics we buy so it's not like a boycott of Apple would necessarily help. I see two approaches that could help. We can appeal to the humanity of CEOs, boards, and investors and try to press them to enact change. Or we can use their vanity by embarrassing them with productions like "The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs."
- ktrgardiner 15y ago
  In response to: If every person's situation is relative, then how do we oppose slavery or abuse? It's better than starving to death, right? While I get what you are saying and am by no means arguing in favor of Fox Con, I believe you are turning my shades of gray argument back to black and white. There isn't a strict dividing line between the acceptable and unacceptable; it's a gradient. There is worse than Fox Con and there is worse than what is worse than Fox Con (and so on, ad nauseam). My point is that it is foolish to use Fox Con as the poster child of this issue when there are far worse situations. It does a great disservice to the argument. Most people will stop at Fox Con in their exploration of the situation and say to themselves "That's horrible. We should do something about that," instead of "It's horrible that Fox Con is a better option for most people and that there is worse out there. We should dig deeper and fix the problem from the ground up until Fox Con is the worst of the worst and then we can fix that."
sofuture 15y ago
What an abhorrent view. It's a psychopathic justification to shrug off the horrible lives of other people directly impacted by my lifestyle because 'hey, they already had a worse life'. I'm happy to admit I'm as much a part of the problem as anyone else. I'd like to not forget or justify that away at the very least.
- ktrgardiner 15y ago
  That is not what I am saying at all and I am sorry if that is how I am being interpreted. My comment was not made in malice or ignorance. Understanding that this is not the worst option is the first step to understanding the situation as a whole. Please read my response to jtbigwoo for further clarification.

coob 15y ago

I wonder what people slamming Foxconn think of the fact that all US military helmets are made by prison slave labour in the US.

rwmj 15y ago
It's not a competition. You can think that both things are bad.

jtbigwoo 15y ago

And if it's bad to us but manageable to them, then there is worse out there that they are trying to get away from. If every person's situation is relative, then how do we oppose slavery or abuse? It's better than starving to death, right? The real problem here is that there's no recourse in our current economy. China makes well over half the electronics we buy so it's not like a boycott of Apple would necessarily help. I see two approaches that could help. We can appeal to the humanity of CEOs, boards, and investors and try to press them to enact change. Or we can use their vanity by embarrassing them with productions like "The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs."

ktrgardiner 15y ago
In response to: If every person's situation is relative, then how do we oppose slavery or abuse? It's better than starving to death, right? While I get what you are saying and am by no means arguing in favor of Fox Con, I believe you are turning my shades of gray argument back to black and white. There isn't a strict dividing line between the acceptable and unacceptable; it's a gradient. There is worse than Fox Con and there is worse than what is worse than Fox Con (and so on, ad nauseam). My point is that it is foolish to use Fox Con as the poster child of this issue when there are far worse situations. It does a great disservice to the argument. Most people will stop at Fox Con in their exploration of the situation and say to themselves "That's horrible. We should do something about that," instead of "It's horrible that Fox Con is a better option for most people and that there is worse out there. We should dig deeper and fix the problem from the ground up until Fox Con is the worst of the worst and then we can fix that."

sofuture 15y ago

What an abhorrent view. It's a psychopathic justification to shrug off the horrible lives of other people directly impacted by my lifestyle because 'hey, they already had a worse life'. I'm happy to admit I'm as much a part of the problem as anyone else. I'd like to not forget or justify that away at the very least.

ktrgardiner 15y ago
That is not what I am saying at all and I am sorry if that is how I am being interpreted. My comment was not made in malice or ignorance. Understanding that this is not the worst option is the first step to understanding the situation as a whole. Please read my response to jtbigwoo for further clarification.