Related, I've seen a lot of commentary on Roe that takes the form "men should stop telling women what to do with their bodies." On it's face, sure, but men supp

Related, I've seen a lot of commentary on Roe that takes the form "men should stop telling women what to do with their bodies." On it's face, sure, but men support choice almost as much as women, and while abolishing abortion hurts women much more it doesn't help men one bit, and even hurts men who are also very much a part of the hard parts of family planning. It's the same fallacy in the opposite direction: the idea that because something hurts one group it must help another group, when really pro-lifers just hurt everyone, even themselves. I don't really know what this stance does to an ideology... it feels like it's unnecessarily constructing enemies, or misplacing anger in ways that dilute the meaning of that anger. I know in most ways these expressions are just ways to release anger, maybe the form doesn't matter that much, but...