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Here's the problem, Roe v. Wade isn't just about abortion. Birth control legality, gay sex being legal and gay marriage being legal all henge on decisions based

Here's the problem, Roe v. Wade isn't just about abortion. Birth control legality, gay sex being legal and gay marriage being legal all henge on decisions based on Roe v. Wade. In one fell swoop, the religious right has thrown their religious ideology into the face of a nation that some 80% (I'm not sure of the exact number) of a population doesn't want enforced on the whole of the rest of the population, whether they agree with it or not. We're sliding back towards some back water theocracy that bans books and spies on our population. https://www.npr.org/2022/05/05/1096732347/roe-v-wade-implications-beyond-abortion https://www.npr.org/2022/05/05/1096732347/roe-v-wade-implica...

hedora 4y ago
The leaked opinion also makes it clear that Congress can now regulate abortion if it wants to. They're rolling back a raft of rights that we, as a society, decided follow from the constitution fifty years ago. A large majority of the population supports having those rights, but the justices were mostly appointed by minority elected presidents. Given demographic trends, the senate will represent a narrowing minority of the population over time. The supreme court has also rolled back many voters rights and election integrity rules in the last few years. Given that, it's likely we won't have a Democrat controlled senate for the forseeable future. If the Republicans control the house and presidency for a hot second, they'll be able to pass a national abortion (and gay rights, civil rights, and probably privacy) ban, and that will be the end of the US as a Democratic nation. Because of the elctoral college math and existing court corruption, they'll be able to do this with under 40% of the vote.
- UnpossibleJim 4y ago
  I hate to be one of those "both party" people (clearly, the Dems are a lesser extreme, even though both have slid towards conservative positions) but both parties have represented less and less of the population and seem to actively stoke political disenfranchisement in the nation, playing towards a fervent party base who don't examine passed policy but only look at talking points. This can be seen in both foreign policy and the filibuster legislation, as well as previous promises of codifying Roe v. Wade. I'd like to say this is a sad "day" but this slide truly started during the Reagan era, quickened during the Gingrich era and Clinton turned the Democrats into the center right party in a lot of their practical policies(foreign policy, military budget, corporate spending, corporate rights). And while the center right policy might actual message well to a lot of America, they try to sell to a fringe left for some reason.
  - hedora 4y ago
    It only takes 12% (edit: 5%) of the US vote for the small states (which are almost all Republican) to mount a filibuster. I'm tired of the excuses. We're facing multiple existential crises, and a small, antidemocratic, minority is blocking action that has broad popular support. All citizens over 18 should have a vote, and all votes should have equal weight. Source on the 12%: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/2jnmbe/i_did_the_math_12_of_the_us_population_controls/ https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/2jnmbe/i_did_the_... Which I misread. It takes 12% of the vote to create a filibuster proof majority from small red states, and 5% for those states to sustain a fillibuster.
    - usrn 4y ago
      The people who live in those places are also facing existential problems that get completely ignored by people like you. The solution is to give individual communities like states more control over the law so that people who feel strongly about things like this (on both sides) have more control.
      - saxonww 4y ago
        > The people who live in those places are also facing existential problems No, they are not.
boppo1 4y ago
>that bans books and spies on our population. Roe v Wade aside, we've been doing those things pretty consistently since the 1900s.

hedora 4y ago

The leaked opinion also makes it clear that Congress can now regulate abortion if it wants to. They're rolling back a raft of rights that we, as a society, decided follow from the constitution fifty years ago. A large majority of the population supports having those rights, but the justices were mostly appointed by minority elected presidents. Given demographic trends, the senate will represent a narrowing minority of the population over time. The supreme court has also rolled back many voters rights and election integrity rules in the last few years. Given that, it's likely we won't have a Democrat controlled senate for the forseeable future. If the Republicans control the house and presidency for a hot second, they'll be able to pass a national abortion (and gay rights, civil rights, and probably privacy) ban, and that will be the end of the US as a Democratic nation. Because of the elctoral college math and existing court corruption, they'll be able to do this with under 40% of the vote.

UnpossibleJim 4y ago
I hate to be one of those "both party" people (clearly, the Dems are a lesser extreme, even though both have slid towards conservative positions) but both parties have represented less and less of the population and seem to actively stoke political disenfranchisement in the nation, playing towards a fervent party base who don't examine passed policy but only look at talking points. This can be seen in both foreign policy and the filibuster legislation, as well as previous promises of codifying Roe v. Wade. I'd like to say this is a sad "day" but this slide truly started during the Reagan era, quickened during the Gingrich era and Clinton turned the Democrats into the center right party in a lot of their practical policies(foreign policy, military budget, corporate spending, corporate rights). And while the center right policy might actual message well to a lot of America, they try to sell to a fringe left for some reason.
- hedora 4y ago
  It only takes 12% (edit: 5%) of the US vote for the small states (which are almost all Republican) to mount a filibuster. I'm tired of the excuses. We're facing multiple existential crises, and a small, antidemocratic, minority is blocking action that has broad popular support. All citizens over 18 should have a vote, and all votes should have equal weight. Source on the 12%: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/2jnmbe/i_did_the_math_12_of_the_us_population_controls/ https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/2jnmbe/i_did_the_... Which I misread. It takes 12% of the vote to create a filibuster proof majority from small red states, and 5% for those states to sustain a fillibuster.
  - usrn 4y ago
    The people who live in those places are also facing existential problems that get completely ignored by people like you. The solution is to give individual communities like states more control over the law so that people who feel strongly about things like this (on both sides) have more control.
    - saxonww 4y ago
      > The people who live in those places are also facing existential problems No, they are not.

boppo1 4y ago

>that bans books and spies on our population. Roe v Wade aside, we've been doing those things pretty consistently since the 1900s.