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Is this viable? As in, is there a reasonable pathway for renouncing US citizenship and then getting citizenship somewhere else? I wonder if this opens up pathw

by javert 4y ago

Is this viable? As in, is there a reasonable pathway for renouncing US citizenship and then getting citizenship somewhere else? I wonder if this opens up pathways to citizenship that aren't available otherwise. The "passports for sale" are mostly either extremely expensive or for tiny island nations like St. Kitts. But maybe there are additional countries that offer citizenship to stateless people out of compassion?

sgjohnson 4y ago
> Is this viable? Absolutely fucking not. But if you really, really, I mean, really want to stateless yourself and end up in a situation where you can’t even get a travel document, you can. Not that anyone ever should. > Perhaps there are countries that will grant citizenship to stateless people out of compassion, or for a fee? Not that I’m aware of.
- javert 4y ago
  How did you find out that the US will allow you to renounce and make yourself stateless? I'm genuinely curious, and also slightly skeptical that it's really true.
  - sgjohnson 4y ago
    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega... > Persons intending to renounce U.S. citizenship should be aware that, unless they already possess a foreign nationality, they may be rendered stateless and, thus, lack the protection of any government. They may also have difficulty traveling as they may not be entitled to a passport from any country. This guy did it in 2008. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gogulski https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gogulski
mbroncano 4y ago
At least in NL you can apply for a passport > Stateless people, when officially registered as 'stateless', can apply for naturalisation after three years' legal stay, which is reduced from the standard five years. They are also exempt from providing a passport, but they do need to provide a birth certificate. https://index.statelessness.eu/country/netherlands https://index.statelessness.eu/country/netherlands

by javert 4y ago

sgjohnson 4y ago

> Is this viable? Absolutely fucking not. But if you really, really, I mean, really want to stateless yourself and end up in a situation where you can’t even get a travel document, you can. Not that anyone ever should. > Perhaps there are countries that will grant citizenship to stateless people out of compassion, or for a fee? Not that I’m aware of.

javert 4y ago
How did you find out that the US will allow you to renounce and make yourself stateless? I'm genuinely curious, and also slightly skeptical that it's really true.
- sgjohnson 4y ago
  https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega... > Persons intending to renounce U.S. citizenship should be aware that, unless they already possess a foreign nationality, they may be rendered stateless and, thus, lack the protection of any government. They may also have difficulty traveling as they may not be entitled to a passport from any country. This guy did it in 2008. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gogulski https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Gogulski

mbroncano 4y ago

At least in NL you can apply for a passport > Stateless people, when officially registered as 'stateless', can apply for naturalisation after three years' legal stay, which is reduced from the standard five years. They are also exempt from providing a passport, but they do need to provide a birth certificate. https://index.statelessness.eu/country/netherlands https://index.statelessness.eu/country/netherlands